[nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking

Tue Jul 26 05:35:12 UTC 2011

The announcement touched a nerve for me certainly, and I’m probably 
not the target audience of the seminar for any number of reasons 
(if only because I have no interest in removing the yolks from my 
eggs, using artificial sweeteners to reduce calories, etc.  Clearly 
the panel has different ideas about good food than I do!  *grin*

I have occasionally heard cleaning tips for things like leafy 
produce, but never a long discussion about the importance of washing 
your dishes and counter tops.  Having that in the same seminar as a 
discussion of farmer’s markets and growing your own herbs just seems 
like they aren’t quite sure who their audience is.  I’m no longer 
sure myself, but probably I wasn’t it.  Some of the resource recipes 
might be useful, but I could just as easily find such things on other 
sites.

In the kitchen, my greatest disability isn’t blindness.  It’s that I 
don’t want to spend a lot of time in the kitchen, am generally pretty 
lazy about the whole affair, and anything I make has got to be worth 
making in a small enough quantity to feed me alone without a whole 
lot of leftovers I haven’t the space to store.

Joseph - KF7QZC

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:34:13AM -0400, Jamie Principato wrote:
>I haven't been following this thread until now because we discussed this
>seminar on the Blind Cooks mailing list as well, but we'd come to the
>conclusion that the "No-Cook" theme was simply because people who cook a lot
>don't generally enjoy having their ovens and ranges on indoors during the
>summer when it's already hot as blazes. I know that I generally prefer
>no-cook recipes in the summer for this reason, and I've seen local cooking
>schools (general public) and cooking blogs I read start pushing the no-cook
>thing as soon as the weather gets warm and the produce gets ripe. I just
>assumed everyone saw this as quickly as the Cooks mailing list. I'm actually
>rather surprised to see that this struck a nerve with some people, and I
>find the differing opinions very interesting, but I really don't think there
>were any such intentions.
>
>On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Kirt Manwaring
><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Bridget,
>>  Posts like this are what keeps me subscribed to this time-waster of
>> a list.  I'm not even going to try and throw in my two cents here,
>> because you've covered it to the point where I'd just make myself look
>> silly.  Very, very well said.
>>
>> On 7/25/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > HI Brigit and all,
>> > I agree there. I don't think there was any bad intent, but rather there
>> were
>> > basic tips such as washing produce and cleaning counters to ensure people
>> > actually did that. Shows for the general audience start out this way too,
>> as
>> > you said. Hadley has other seminars in which they share recipies and tips
>> > for actual cooking like in the crock pot. Some people said maybe Hadley
>> > believes blind people can't cook, and after looking at their seminar list
>> on
>> > cooking I do not think that is the case at all.
>> >
>> > Now as for the seminar itself I listened to most of it. I felt they
>> couldn't
>> > cover much in an hour. They had a Q and A part and then brefily described
>> > some no cook recipies. My favorite was the desserts where they explained
>> how
>> > easy making a smoothy was! I was not aware that you just needed to chop
>> up
>> > fruit, freeze them, and blend them later.
>> > They will put out a resource list with the recipies they referenced. Oh,
>> I
>> > also learned the health benefits of some spices.
>> >
>> > Ashley
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:26 PM
>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking
>> >
>> > This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is.
>> > Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes
>> > online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does
>> > not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering
>> > it.
>> >
>> > To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting
>> > with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and
>> > these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire
>> > viewing audience.
>> >
>> > So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar
>> > by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people
>> > don't know this.  I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be
>> > aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this
>> > advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs.
>> >
>> > Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as
>> > bad, but it's a little unfair.  Short of Hadley point-blank making
>> > statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or
>> > are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent
>> > behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less
>> > capable.
>> >
>> > And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they
>> > are not capable or not independent.  We all seek different resources and
>> > tools to achieve success in any endeavor.  As I said in an earlier post,
>> > if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full
>> > potential, what does it matter how we got there?
>> >
>> > When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided
>> > or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice.  We are certainly allowed
>> > opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous
>> > judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point.  If
>> > I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at
>> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700
>> > From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking
>> > Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net>
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>> >
>> > I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half
>> > minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing
>> > your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean,
>> > etc.  I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not
>> > terribly inspiring so far.
>> >
>> > Joseph - KF7QZC
>> >
>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700
>> > From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, National Association of Blind Students
>> > mailing
>> > list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Evening, Joseph,
>> >
>> > Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in
>> > filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware
>> > and counter tops clean,
>> > etc.  I suppose there are people who don???t know
>> > that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far.
>> >
>> >
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