[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sun Jun 19 02:02:12 UTC 2011 

We=20shall=20see!=20If=20Arielle=20said=20she=20had=20to=20get=20permission=
=20from=20the=20
national=20office,=20there's=20probably=20not=20going=20to=20be=20that=20
permission,=20as=20this=20also=20contradicts=20the=20NFB=20Constitution.=20=
=20
Although=20I=20like=20the=20proposed=20amendment=20and=20support=20it,=20th=
is=20is=20
just=20my=20prediction=20of=20the=20reality=20of=20it.=20=20Sorry,=20Jorge!=


=20Chris

"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit=
ies=20motto)
To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp=20Abilities=20and=20find=20a=20local=20cam=
p=20near=20
you,=20just=20click=20on=20this=20link=20to=20their=20national=20Web=20site=
:=20
www.campabilities.org.

The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in=
=20
Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How=
?=20Click=20
on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20
www.icanfoundation.info.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Tina=20Thomas"=20<tinadt at sbcglobal.net
To:=20"'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list'"=20=

<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2018=20Jun=202011=2016:00:29=20-0700
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constituti=
on

Hello=20Everyone-=20I=20have=20enjoyed=20the=20lively=20debates=20on=20the=
=20purposed=20
amendment.=20=20However,=20the=20reality=20is=20that=20this=20purposed=20am=
endment=20
contradicts=20our=20national=20constitution=20which=20prohibits=20any=20vot=
ing=20
by=20proxy=20and=20or=20absentee=20voting.=20=20Also=20NABS=20has=20had=20s=
ome=20issues=20
with=20the=20in-=20person=20=20voting=20process=20in=20recent=20years.=20=20=
There=20were=20
people=20at=20the=20business=20meeting=20who=20were=20not=20NABS=20members=
=20and=20
attempted=20to=20vote=20which=20created=20a=20very=20chaotic=20and=20hostil=
e=20
environment.=20=20I=20don't=20see=20our=20national=20leadership=20consideri=
ng=20
this=20purposed=20amendment.
Tina


-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20Courtney=20Stover
Sent:=20Saturday,=20June=2018,=202011=2011:20=20AM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constituti=
on

Hi=20all:

Many=20of=20the=20cogent=20points=20have=20already=20been=20discussed=20her=
e.=20=20
However,
there=20are=20a=20couple=20which=20I'd=20like=20to=20cover=20in=20greater=20=
detail.

As=20someone=20who=20attended=20National=20convention=20several=20years=20a=
go=20
because
of=20the=20extremely=20hard=20and=20diligent=20work=20of=20my=20chapter=20P=
resident=20
to
procure=20financial=20aid,=20I=20can=20vouch=20that=20what=20a=20great=20de=
al=20of=20the
membership=20are=20saying=20about=20getting=20some=20of=20your=20expenses=20=
covered=20
in
this=20manner=20is=20definitely=20doable,=20especially=20if=20you=20begin=20=

planning=20in
advance.

As=20evidence=20of=20why=20this=20measure=20would=20be=20an=20absolute=20ni=
ghtmare=20I
submit=20exhibit=20A:=20the=202000=20Presidential=20election,=20and=20Exhib=
it=20B:=20
the
2004=20Presidential=20election.

I=20am=20not=20attempting=20to=20begin=20a=20political=20discussion=20here,=
=20but=20due=20
to
some=20voter=20fraud=20and=20logistics=20issues,=20those=20elections=20were=
=20a
nightmare=20no=20matter=20which=20side=20you=20were=20on.

I=20don't=20like=20how=20this=20amendment=20would=20discourage=20people=20f=
rom=20
gaining
the=20full=20experience=20of=20the=20NFB=20through=20the=20communal=20aspec=
ts=20
showcased
to=20such=20great=20effect=20through=20convention.=20=20If=20all=20we=20hav=
e=20to=20do=20to
influence=20policy=20decisions=20is=20press=20a=20button,=20why=20would=20w=
e,=20
especially
those=20of=20us=20who=20struggle=20financially,=20attempt=20to=20find=20the=
=20funds=20
for
convention.

In=20closing,=20there's=20a=20factor=20I=20think=20very=20few=20of=20those=
=20in=20favor=20
of
this=20amendment=20are=20considering:=20stage=20presence.=20=20We=20want=20=
people=20
who
can=20not=20only=20articulately=20and=20passionately=20represent=20the=20NF=
B=20in
writing,=20but=20in=20person,=20too.=20=20Extremely=20articulate=20letter=20=
writers=20
may
become=20rather=20tongue-tied=20and=20shy=20in=20person...any=20of=20you=20=
who=20know=20
me
well=20can=20vouch=20for=20the=20truth=20of=20that=20one.=20=20So,=20to=20m=
y=20mind,=20to=20
make=20the
best=20possible=20decision,=20we=20need=20written=20platforms=20such=20as=20=
those=20
posted
to=20the=20list=20over=20the=20last=20few=20days,=20and=20face=20to=20face=
=20interaction,
which=20we=20will=20gain=20at=20convention.

Courtney

On=206/18/11,=20Tina=20Thomas=20<tinadt at sbcglobal.net>=20wrote:
=20The=20fact=20that=20the=20NFB=20has=20"alot=20of=20funds"=20is=20not=20t=
he=20issue.=20=20The=20
reality=20is
=20that=20we=20all=20know=20that=20National=20Convention=20happens=20once=20=
a=20year=20
around=20the
=20July=204TH=20=20holiday=20and=20if=20we=20=20want=20to=20attend,=20we=20=
=20need=20to=20plan=20
well=20in
=20advance.=20=20Also,=20if=20we=20=20need=20financial=20assistance=20then=
=20we=20=20need=20
to=20find=20out
=20from=20our=20=20=20state=20affiliate=20what=20kind=20of=20financial=20as=
sistance=20is=20
available.
=20Tina

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On
=20Behalf=20Of=20Chris=20Nusbaum
=20Sent:=20Saturday,=20June=2018,=202011=209:29=20AM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constit=
ution

=20This=20is=20the=20NFB=20we're=20talking=20about=20here,=20they've=20got=
=20a=20lot=20of=20
funds!

=20=20Chris

=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abi=
lities=20
motto)=20To=20learn
=20more=20about=20Camp=20Abilities=20and=20find=20a=20local=20camp=20near=20=
you,=20just=20
click=20on
=20this=20link=20to=20their=20national=20Web=20site:
=20www.campabilities.org.

=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20=
in=20
Maryland=20have=20the
=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How?=20Click=20on=20this=
=20link=20to=20
learn=20more
=20and=20to=20contribute:
=20www.icanfoundation.info.

=20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Briley=20Pollard=20<brileyp at gmail.com
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20=

<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2017=20Jun=202011=2022:21:04=20-0400
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constit=
ution

=20If=20you=20actually=20read=20my=20response,=20you'd=20see=20I=20addresse=
d=20the=20
issues=20bring
=20up..=20=20Of=20course=20I=20understand=20the=20financial=20burden,=20whi=
ch=20I=20
mentioned.=20=20But
=20there=20is=20a=20lot=20of=20assistance=20available,=20and=20not=20just=20=
from=20the=20
NFB=20itself.
=20If=20people=20want=20to=20come,=20funding=20can=20be=20found.=20=20I'm=20=
in=20no=20way=20
suggesting
=20that=20people=20who=20can't=20attend=20aren't=20federationists=20or=20do=
n't=20care=20
about=20the
=20organization.=20=20But=20proxy=20voting=20is=20not=20allowed=20for=20som=
e=20very=20
good=20reasons.
=20Perhaps=20there=20could=20be=20an=20Absent-T=20system=20instituted=20sim=
ilar=20to=20
what=20the
=20government=20has=20for=20legitimate=20circumstances.
=20But,=20I'm=20not=20sure=20we=20as=20an=20organization=20have=20the=20fun=
ds=20or=20the=20
resources
=20necessary=20to=20take=20on=20that=20undertaking.=20=20It=20is=20an=20ide=
a=20though.

=20Best,
=20Briley
=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2010:14=20PM,=20Jorge=20Paez=20wrote:

=20=20Right,
=20=20but=20tell=20me,
=20=20does=20everyone=20have=20the=20money=20to=20spend=20around=20$1,00=20=
on=20
convention=20costs?

=20=20You=20specially=20as=20a=20student=20should=20know=20that.

=20=20And=20as=20for=20me,
=20=20I=20have=20so=20far=20been=20a=20strong=20supporter=20of=20the=20fede=
ration,=20yet=20
only=20have
=20gone=20to=20one=20national=20convention.
=20=20So=20if=20I=20don't=20show=20up=20this=20year=20are=20you=20suggestin=
g=20that=20I=20am=20
not=20a=20"true
=20federationist?"=20Because=20that's=20where=20your=20=20language=20is=20p=
ointing=20
towards.




=20=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2010:04=20PM,=20Briley=20Pollard=20wrote:=


=20=20I'm=20hesitant=20to=20even=20weigh=20in=20on=20this=20debate=20since=
=20most=20
relevant=20arguments
=20have=20already=20been=20made.=20=20However,=20it=20is=20important=20to=20=
note=20that=20
being
=20present=20at=20the=20Nabs=20meeting=20every=20year=20indicates=20a=20cer=
tain=20
amount=20of
=20investment=20in=20the=20organization.=20=20I=20know=20convention=20is=20=
expensive,=20
but=20there
=20are=20multiple=20ways=20to=20procure=20funding=20outside=20of=20paying=20=
for=20
everything
=20yourself.=20=20I=20know=20that=20as=20students=20we=20don't=20have=20muc=
h=20expendable=20
income.
=20However,=20the=20yearly=20meeting=20of=20the=20organization=20as=20a=20w=
hole=20and=20
the=20division
=20shows=20the=20membership=20and=20is=20a=20chance=20for=20us=20as=20membe=
rs=20to=20make=20
our=20wants
=20and=20needs=20known=20by=20how=20we=20vote.=20=20If=20one=20cares=20enou=
gh=20about=20the=20
organization
=20to=20make=20that=20kind=20of=20time=20investment,=20then=20one=20has=20e=
arned=20that=20
right=20to
=20participate=20in=20organizational=20positions=20and=20decisions.

=20=20Best,
=20=20Briley
=20=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=209:52=20PM,=20T.=20=20Joseph=20Carter=20=
wrote:

=20=20Right,=20and=20I=20will=20be=20sure=20to=20cast=20my=20vote=20for=20a=
s=20many=20people=20
whose=20names=20I
=20happen=20to=20know=20as=20possible.=20=20No,=20you=EB=AD=97=20need=20to=
=20manage=20
passwords=20and=20data
=20security.=20=20There=20would=20be=20issues=20such=20as=20validity=20and=
=20integrity=20
of=20the
=20ballot=20(who=EB=AD=A9=20observing=20to=20ensure=20the=20votes=20are=20n=
ot=20tampered=20
with,=20etc.?)

=20=20What=20you=20are=20looking=20for=20is=20not=20proxy=20voting,=20but=20=
to=20change=20
NABS=20elections
=20from=20being=20held=20at=20convention=20to=20being=20held=20online.
=20That=20means=20the=20elections=20process=20would=20need=20to=20happen=20=
(along=20
with=20any
=20runoffs=20and=20revotes)=20prior=20to=20convention=20so=20that=20the=20n=
ewly=20
elected=20board
=20members=20can=20meet=20with=20the=20old=20and=20arrange=20the=20transiti=
on=20plan=20as=20
best=20they
=20can.

=20=20If=20elections,=20why=20not=20resolutions=20and=20other=20business=20=
as=20well?
=20Why=20would=20we=20then=20send=20delegates=20from=20the=20states=20to=20=
vote?=20=20This=20
would=20be=20a
=20fundamental=20change=20to=20the=20organization=20as=20a=20whole,=20and=20=
one=20that=20
could=20be
=20exploited=20by=20those=20who=20have=20an=20axe=20to=20grind=20against=20=
the=20NFB.=20=20
Without
=20becoming=20too=20confrontational,=20suffice=20it=20to=20say=20that=20suc=
h=20
individuals=20exist.

=20=20It=20would=20also=20degrade=20our=20national=20convention=20from=20a=
=20
policy-making=20body=20to
=20the=20status=20of=20a=20trade=20show=20for=20blind=20ghetto=20tech.=20=20=
I=EB=AD=A2=20not=20
sure=20you=EB=AD=A8e
=20going=20to=20find=20support=20for=20that=20amongst=20Federationists=20at=
=20
large=EB=BE=ADarticularly
=20since=20in=20order=20to=20do=20so=20you=20must=20first=20convince=20thos=
e=20
Federationists=20who
=20will=20be=20attending=20Convention=20because=20it=20is=20a=20policy-maki=
ng=20body=20
they=20wish
=20to=20be=20part=20of=20that=20it=20should=20no=20longer=20be=20so.

=20=20You=20would=20not=20have=20my=20support,=20even=20though=20I=20have=20=
only=20been=20to=20
two=20non-
=20consecutive=20conventions=20now,=20because=20I=20wouldn=EB=AD=AA=20want=
=20to=20see=20
what=20naturally
=20comes=20from=20the=20application=20of=20your=20suggestion.
=20To=20me,=20going=20to=20convention=20is=20ABOUT=20something,=20whether=20=
I=20can=20
attend=20or=20not.
=20I=20for=20one=20am=20not=20willing=20to=20give=20that=20up.

=20=20That=20said,=20though=20I=20may=20attend=20the=20NABS=20meeting=20if=
=20I=20am=20not=20
needed
=20elsewhere,=20I=20will=20not=20be=20voting.=20=20I=20am=20not=20a=20stude=
nt=20anymore,=20as=20
I=20said,
=20and=20NABS=20policy=20should=20IMO=20be=20set=20by=20those=20who=20are.

=20=20Joseph


=20=20On=20Fri,=20Jun=2017,=202011=20at=2012:54:10PM=20-0400,=20Jorge=20Pae=
z=20wrote:
=20=20So=20would=20I.

=20=20And,=20security=20measures=20such=20as=20comparing=20someone's=20name=
=20against=20
a=20database
=20can=20easily=20be=20developed=20as=20well=20with=20some=20php.


=20=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2012:41=20PM,=20Ignasi=20Cambra=20wrote:

=20=20A=20web=20based=20system=20could=20easily=20be=20developed,=20that's=
=20for=20sure.
=20I=20would=20be=20willing=20to=20help=20with=20that.
=20=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2012:32=20PM,=20Jorge=20Paez=20wrote:

=20=20Marsha:
=20=20This=20is=20only=20theory=20to=20be=20aprooved--the=20web=20team=20wo=
uld=20have=20to
=20be=20in=20charge=20of=20developing=20some=20authentication=20method.
=20=20I'm=20sure=20we=20could=20make=20sure=20only=20absent=20people=20vote=
=20in=20some=20way
=20such=20as=20having=20to=20enter=20with=20your=20name,=20and=20the=20site=

=20disqualifying=20you=20when=20you=20enter=20your=20vote=20if=20it=20sees=
=20that=20
you're
=20present.
=20=20This=20is=20where=20the=20database=20of=20contact=20information=20wou=
ld=20come=20in
=20handy.


=20=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2012:07=20PM,=20Marsha=20Drenth=20wrote:

=20=20In=20theory=20this=20is=20a=20good=20suggestion.=20=20But=20lets=20be=
=20realistic
=20here.=20=20This=20would
=20=20be=20a=20complicated=20process=20of=20tallying=20the=20votes.=20=20If=
=20the=20
students
=20were=20to=20do
=20=20this,=20the=20general=20convention=20would=20want=20this=20too.=20=20=
Its=20sad=20that
=20those=20who
=20=20can't=20be=20there=20can't=20vote,=20but=20that=20is=20where=20those=
=20who=20can't=20be
=20there,
=20=20should=20get=20involved=20to=20elect=20those=20who=20they=20feel=20wo=
uld=20do=20the
=20best=20job
=20=20possible.

=20=20Say=20if=20you=20were=20to=20have=20a=20online=20way=20to=20take=20vo=
tes,=20how=20are=20you
=20going=20to
=20=20distinguish=20from=20those=20who=20are=20really=20not=20going=20to=20=
those=20who=20
are
=20going=20to
=20=20convention=20but=20who=20want=20to=20vote=20and=20add=20votes=20to=20=
a=20particular
=20person
=20=20running.

=20=20Now=20correct=20me=20someone=20if=20I=20am=20wrong,=20isn't=20it=20tr=
ue=20that=20you=20
can
=20run,=20not
=20=20necessarily=20be=20there,=20and=20be=20elected?=20Or=20must=20you=20b=
e=20present?
=20Different
=20=20divisions=20do=20this=20differently.

=20=20Marsha



=20=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf
=20=20Of=20Jorge=20Paez
=20=20Sent:=20Friday,=20June=2017,=202011=2011:57=20AM
=20=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=

=20=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constituti=
on

=20=20Hello=20all:
=20=20I=20want=20to=20propose=20the=20following=20amendment=20to=20the=20co=
nstitution,
=20to=20article
=20=20IV.




=20=20---


=20=20Voting


=20=20Due=20to=20the=20fact=20that=20there=20are=20people=20who=20will=20no=
t=20be=20present=20
at
=20the
=20=20convention=20due=20to=20issues=20beyond=20the=20membership's=20contro=
l,=20but
=20who=20have=20paid
=20=20dues=20and=20do=20therefore,=20retain=20their=20right=20to=20vote,=20=
the=20NATIONAL
=20ASSOCIATION
=20=20OF=20THE=20BLIND=20shall=20henceforth=20recognize
=20=20these=20members=20by=20allowing=20them=20to=20vote,=20in=20such=20met=
hods=20as=20are
=20legal=20and=20of
=20=20good=20practice,=20in=20all=20elections=20pertaining=20to=20the=20bus=
iness=20of
=20this
=20=20organization.



=20=20---


=20=20end=20of=20amendment.

=20=20The=20defense=20I=20put=20forth=20for=20this=20amendment=20is=20simpl=
e:=20if=20we=20are
=20to=20be=20a
=20=20democratic=20organization,=20and=20if=20we=20are=20truly=20the=20"voi=
ce=20of=20the
=20Nation's
=20=20blind"=20we=20must=20realize=20there=20are=20students=20who=20will=20=
not=20be=20able
=20to=20attend=20but
=20=20who=20have=20paid=20dues,=20and=20these=20students=20must=20be=20reco=
gnized=20and
=20given=20the
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