[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Thu Jun 2 00:38:44 UTC 2011


Mike,

Although I'd love to (history buff that I am)
I believe the reports are only available on NFB's site since 
1990.
 Chris

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
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Date sent: Sat, 28 May 2011 09:16:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Darian:

Ask Primo Foyanini (if he's still alive) about being beaten up by 
a janitor
at a Utah sheltered shop because he was/is a Federationist? While 
perhaps
not in the same league as Rodney King, the beating *did* result 
in
hospitalization.  If you can find it, listen to the 1981 
presidential Report.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Darian Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:54 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

I think I understand what you both are communicating.
 I don't believe (nor am I terribly sure that either Mike or 
Briley are
actually saying)  that there is a close comparison so much to we 
as blind
people and  the african/black american expirience in this nation.  
I just
feel like we, as blind people will find a difficult time finding 
our own
versions of  Rodney King Or Oscar Grant, that would clearly 
underscore  the
same  emotions, concerns and the like that as an ethnic grou  
blacks face.
So in a way, I  wonder if we arn't  approachingan "apples and 
Oranges"
situation?
 Best,
  Darian

On 5/28/11, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
 I think it is not always an appropriate comparison to say our 
struggle
 for civil rights isn't completely parallel with the black 
American
 experience, but we have struggled for civil rights.  Go read 
some
 history on how blind people have been treated by families and
 institutions over the years.  Blind children were targets for 
sexual
 assault in extremely high numbers because they were considered 
to be
 vulnerable.  They were placed in horrific living conditions 
throughout
 history in institutions because families believed that blindness 
was
 equal to ineffectiveness, and that they'd never be able to 
succeed or
 help out their relatives.  As a people group, we have suffered 
many
 indignities that I don't think the current generation of blind 
people even
come close to realizing.

 Best,
 Briley
 On May 28, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Darian Smith wrote:

 Mike:
 African-Americans/blacks (however one choosses to term
 themselves)would not have been too keen on the idea based upon 
how
 they were treated by whites  up to that time.
  It is curious that how    african-americans were treated is 
always
 one of the first ways we as blind  people choose to make our
 comparisons in our struggle  for first-class citizanship.  I 
wonder,
 were blind people  beatin and hosed down when they peacefully 
protest
 the unjust ways they were treated? Were  they lybnched?  Can we
 safely make those  comparisons?  unless  I am missing something 
(I
 could be, and it wouldn't be the first or last time I have), we  
have
 some similarities with regards to civil rights, but largely our
 histories were quite different and  the scars, deaths,risks were 
felt
 on largely different levels.
 Just  some thoughts on  the matter,and I very much appreciate 
the
 question.
  Respectfully,
  Darian

 On 5/26/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
 Darian:

 What do  you think African-americans would have said during the
 1950's and 1960's had one of their number said he/she would 
rather
 date a Caucasian person because of the concern for two black 
persons
 dating?

 Mike


 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
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 On Behalf Of Darian Smith
 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:49 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in 
others

 Jedi,
  Sure-let me see...
 We as federationests have certain ways that we like to deal with
 situations, ways that we see life or phrase things in life.  For
 example We like to use  the term "blind"  as opposed to 
"visually
 impaired" or any variant there of.  We also like if a person 
uses
 products with Braille  on them (braille watches, braille 
compass,
 braille books and the like, but somehow we tend to make people 
who
 don't utilize these things seem lesser for not.
  I have a friend who would much rather date a sighted  gentleman
 than a blind gentleman because she is concerned about the idea 
of
 two blind people dating.
  Personally I may feel a certain way about  these things, but I
 would like to think that  it's  huge to  consider where each 
person
 is in
 their life and  accept them into the  fold as they are.    I am 
fine
 with educatinn,  so long as  we arn't critical and that we are
 accepting, because  seems to me that weas people hate to be told 
that we
are "wrong"
 for thinking like we do.
  Does that make sense?
  Respecgfully,
  Darian


 On 5/26/11, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
 Very good points.
  We as blind people are a minority, and I think it's  good to
 remember that  there are other minorities out there.  How does 
one
 member of a minority group address another member of that same
 group if they don't feel that this person is acting like they
 should in public?  Don't feel like this person is projecting a
 positive image of the rest of that group to society?
    I believe that we all face that problem and how we deal with 
it
 varies, but I would hope that we know enough to not  take  it   
upon
 ourselves to change the worlds opinions.  I think we can model
 that positive image that is with in our grasp to become, that
 probably is the  healthiest way to approach this  idea of
 perception-changing that we  think about alot,  Does that make 
sense?
  thoughts?

 On 5/26/11, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
 Excellent points.

 I'm going to add to that some.

 I've noticed that we also tend to judge a person's actions when
 they attempt to handle a vexing situation like overhelpfulness 
or
 discrimination.  I've been doing some research on the effects of
 such judgment and have concluded that it creates an invisible
 audience for the blind person in question.  This audience is 
made
 of both the blind and the sighted community and creates thoughts
 like "What will my blind friends and colleagues think of me if I 
react
this or that way?
 What will the sighted person I'm talking to think? What will
 sighted bystanders think?" What this does is create a win/lose
 situation where the stakes are high.  Aside from causing stress
 that limits problem-solving ability, this high stakes situation
 also creates a greater likelihood of negative response to
 perceived threats to the blind person's self-concept and sense 
of
efficacy in the interaction.
 So for example, an overly helpful person might cause a blind
 person to feel ineffective as it is.  But the invisible audience
 concept boosts that feeling considerably because of the stress
 involved with feeling like they have to show themselves as both
 effective and graceful in handling both the offers of help and 
the
 person who's offering it.  Is any of this making sense? So the
 bottom line is that by trying to be the perfect ambassador for 
the
 blind, we may be shooting ourselves in the foot by creating such 
a
 high stakes situation in our mind that the stress lowers our
 ability to present the cool, calm, and effective image we want 
to
offer to the public.

 On that note, I've noticed that our community seems to have it 
in
 our heads that we're responsible for how the sighted feel about
 us.  The truth is that there are limits to that responsibility.
 Sure, we want to set a good impression in all areas, but so does
 everyone else.  The sad truth is that we are judged based on the
actions of one person.
 But the thing is, there's nothing that we can really do about 
that
 except to expose a given sighted person to the diversity of our
 population.  Even if we set the perfect impression, it's likely
 that the sighted person will still stereotype by saying that 
we're
 all amazing or that the one individual in question is the
 exception to a rule.  It seems to me that the only people who
 really get that we're as diverse as they are are those who know
 how to deconstruct society's grand narrative or are those who 
have
 seen enough diversity in our population to realize that they 
can't
 judge all of us based on one
 person.

 Respectfully,
 Jedi

 Original message:
 That makes perfect sense, but we should not fall into the trap 
of
 taking responsibility for others' actions.  When we do that, we
 lose sight of our own goals and direction in life.  Unless 
you're
 a therapist, or a rehab teacher working with people like that, 
it
 is not your job to fix them.  Even as a therapist or teacher, 
your
 place is to be a mentor and an instructor.  As I previously 
said,
 if that person, after being shown compassion and alternative 
ways
 of thinking, doing and living chooses to fall back into old
 patterns as soon as the instructor's back is turned, that shows 
a
 lack of respect for everyone around them, including themselves.
 So if a person wants to wallow in misery and self-pity, let 
them!
 That person will either fall hard when they find out their
 parents/family members/significant other or what have you can't
 take care of them forever, and then they'll realize what needs 
to
 happen in due time, or they will get sick of the status quo and
 want to change it.  And if people hold it against a decent blind
 person because they've met a person like that in the past, it's
 not worth it to try and make them feel any differently.  They 
will
 either come around in time or they
 won't.  Choice is the key word here.
 Everyone is free to think as they choose so long as it's not
 hurting anyone.  So, while it might temporarily sting a bit to
 lose out on a potential friendship due to someone's ignorance, 
as
 soon as you meet someone who's worth your time, you forget about
 that other person real quick

 On 5/26/11, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
 I think the reason why this might go down is because of the view
 that we get from the public in general.  Most people who are
 sighted are not used to a blind person.  You have to understand
 that one blind person being seen is a huge thing.  They're now
 reliable for what a person thinks about blind people.  They are
 the ones setting an example.  So if you have a blind person who
 smells bad, rocks, pokes their eyes or just do not have the
 proper skills, the outside person will make an assumtion and say
 that all blind people are like that.  i'm not saying it's right
 for blind people to call out other blind people with a skills
 set that is lower then theirs, they're just calling them out
 because they are representing blind people.  It puts a bad label
 on us blind people who do take care of ourselves, have the
 skills to be independent and succeed.  like i said, i'm not
 saying it's right but I don't think us who do have the skills
 want to have a negative conotation.  Not all blind people poke
 their eyes, rock, hop, twitch,bump into everything, smell bad,
 do not clean their own clothes, or anything like that.  So to be
 part of a group that's going to display such a view that is 
negative
to the public, we fall right behind that.  Am I making sense?

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