[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Mon Jun 13 20:48:58 UTC 2011


That's why I read the Braille Forum.  Oh, here we go...  we've 
already started a debate without even talking about the article 
itself! * Smile!

 Chris

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--- Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:44:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Jorge,
  I disagree with you on the last point.  I think Dave was trying 
to
keep the debate which doubtless would have ensued from spamming
everyone's inboxes.  Although, now that I think about it, that 
makes me
wonder why we've been free to debate ad noseum before about other
things.
  I've heard people in NFB leadership encourage the study of both 
NFB
and ACB philosophy and history, some have even suggested the book
People of Vision, on this list, as reading material for us.  So, 
no, I
don't think they're trying to shelter us or keep us from reading 
ACB
literature on our own time, I think Dave's trying to keep it from 
this
NFB-sponsored public forum.  Do I agree with his decision?  With 
all
cander, no.  But I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that 
the
NFB leadership is actively trying to keep us from studying the
positions and dynamic changing views of the ACB.  If anything, I 
think
they want future leaders to be as informed as possible about who
they're dealing with in the political arena.
  Respectfully,
Kirt

On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
 And--is not the NFB Braille Monitor a copyrighted property?

 Yet we encourage distributing it.

 I'm sure neither the NFB or ACB would have a problem with either 
being
 distributed for free would they?


 Or, and I say this with respect to everyone involved, is it just 
"not good"
 for the leadership if we hear the ACB's side?





 On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

 David,
  I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication 
of
 the American Council of the Blind, so there might be 
legal/ethical
 issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But 
I am
 slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
 circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the 
split in
 terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this 
list?"
  Sincerely,
 Kirt

 On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
 David:
 With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?

 After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an 
opposing
 view
 is he?
 Is he telling us to join the ACB?
 No, and I take that as harmless.

 Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be 
brought up by
 future leaders anyway?

 Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of 
the
 organization, but what we stand fore because as the world 
evolves, so
 must
 our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and 
say we
 will
 follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must 
our
 aim--and
 we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our 
principles
 of
 blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.

 You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas, 
and are we
 not
 open to discussion on this?
 Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
 are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there 
is a
 hidden
 threat in reading a politically contrary paper?

 I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
 but just once won't hurt anyone will it?


 Jorge


 On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:

 Chris:

 While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is 
inappropriate,
 and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a 
debating
 society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille 
Forum.  This
 list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding 
of the
 ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.

 David Andrews, List Owner



 At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
 Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort zone 
a
 little
 and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum 
(ACB's
 magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
 Although
 a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in 
Reno,
 please especially take time to read the President's Message 
column from
 Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB 
and Dr.
 TenBroek and Dr.
 Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the 
United
 States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot 
too much?
 Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!


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