[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

[Chris Nusbaum]

What are the topics for which this list was intended, then? I 
guess there isn't enough information on the NABS-L info page on 
www.nfbnet.org then.  I guess I was off-topic then when I asked 
"what is Federationism" and we started talking about the 
disagreement between the NFB and ACB? I guess we used the list 
for the wrong purposes in debating Arielle's question about 
eradicating blindness, because, this isn't a debating society.  
Clarification, please?

 Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near 
you, just click on this link to their national Web site: 
www.campabilities.org.

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth in 
Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click 
on this link to learn more and to contribute: 
www.icanfoundation.info.

PS: Last chance to get your tickets for the I C.A.N.  
Foundation's Night Out at the Frederick Keys fundraiser on June 
4th! They're only 6 dollars per ticket and all proceeds go to the 
Foundation to help the blind and visually impaired youth in 
Maryland! Get your tickets today by contacting Wendy Nusbaum by 
email at wendynusbaum at yahoo.com.  Visit the above link to the I 
C.A.N.  Foundation Web site for more information or join us on 
Facebook at "I C.A.N.  Foundation: nonprofit organization." Hope 
to see you at the game!!!

--- Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list	
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:33:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the 
topics
for which it was intended.  And ...  the history was that people 
broke
away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because 
they
disagreed with the way things were done by us.

Dave

At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:


Hi,

We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a 
beef
between the consumer organizations.
There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
Car:
David,
   I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication 
of
the American Council of the Blind, so there might be 
legal/ethical
issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But I 
am
slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the split 
in
terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this 
list?"
   Sincerely,
Kirt

On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
 David:
 With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?

 After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
 opposing view
 is he?
 Is he telling us to join the ACB?
 No, and I take that as harmless.

 Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be 
brought up by
 future leaders anyway?

 Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of 
the
 organization, but what we stand fore because as the world 
evolves, so must
 our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
 say we will
 follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
 our aim--and
 we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
 principles of
 blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.

 You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
 and are we not
 open to discussion on this?
 Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
 are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
 is a hidden
 threat in reading a politically contrary paper?

 I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
 but just once won't hurt anyone will it?


 Jorge


 On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:

 Chris:

 While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is 
inappropriate,
 and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a 
debating
 society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille 
Forum.  This
 list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding 
of the
 ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.

 David Andrews, List Owner



 At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
 Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
 zone a little
 and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum 
(ACB's
 magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.  
Although
 a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in 
Reno,
 please especially take time to read the President's Message 
column from
 Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB 
and Dr.
 TenBroek and Dr.
 Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the 
United
 States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot 
too much?
 Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu
sbaum%40gmail.com