[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Tue Jun 14 00:28:59 UTC 2011

Hi, Chris,

         I always appreciated this list as a forum in which blind 
folks were free to come together from a range of backgrounds and 
knowledge bases, to compair notes  and share what tricks of this 
fabulous  trade of living with blindness that we have found serve 
ous. Yet, I see though that this might be missing of an ever illusive 
point, of this here forum.
for today,
Car not a point to this list, rather,  Is there some prescribed 
topic?At 01:48 PM 6/13/2011, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>What are the topics for which this list was intended, then? I guess 
>there isn't enough information on the NABS-L info page on 
>www.nfbnet.org then.  I guess I was off-topic then when I asked 
>"what is Federationism" and we started talking about the 
>disagreement between the NFB and ACB? I guess we used the list for 
>the wrong purposes in debating Arielle's question about eradicating 
>blindness, because, this isn't a debating society.
>Clarification, please?
>
>Chris
>
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>--- Sent from my BrailleNote
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:33:49 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
>
>I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the topics
>for which it was intended.  And ...  the history was that people broke
>away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because they
>disagreed with the way things were done by us.
>
>Dave
>
>At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi,
>
>We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a beef
>between the consumer organizations.
>There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
>Car:
>David,
>   I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication of
>the American Council of the Blind, so there might be legal/ethical
>issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But I am
>slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
>circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the split in
>terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this list?"
>   Sincerely,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>David:
>With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
>
>After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
>opposing view
>is he?
>Is he telling us to join the ACB?
>No, and I take that as harmless.
>
>Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be brought up by
>future leaders anyway?
>
>Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of the
>organization, but what we stand fore because as the world evolves, so must
>our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
>say we will
>follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
>our aim--and
>we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
>principles of
>blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
>
>You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
>and are we not
>open to discussion on this?
>Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
>are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
>is a hidden
>threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
>
>I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
>but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
>
>
>Jorge
>
>
>On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>Chris:
>
>While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is inappropriate,
>and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a debating
>society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille Forum.  This
>list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding of the
>ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
>
>David Andrews, List Owner
>
>
>
>At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
>zone a little
>and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum (ACB's
>magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
>Although
>a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in Reno,
>please especially take time to read the President's Message column from
>Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB and Dr.
>TenBroek and Dr.
>Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the United
>States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot too much?
>Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!
>
>
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