[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Tue Jun 14 20:07:27 UTC 2011
Carly,
Hahahaha! Hey, if you'd like, I could moderate that call! Dave
Andrews, you could even be involved in this! Do you moderate the
NFB history list or know the person who does? Maybe we can find a
guest speaker from that list, or better yet, have Dr. Maurer or
somebody on there. Well... we probably couldn't get Dr.
Maurer, but we could try! I'm excited about this call, can you
tell? :)
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Date sent: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:42:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
Hi, Jedi,
I believe that a totally enriching idea, making a
connection between those who were Federation leaders in past
generations with those to whom the torch of leadership has been
passed, for a purpose of learning from the real eyewitness
accounts
of those who were actually THERE!
I would be interested to know if others believe this such a
constructive and wholistic idea, as I?
I believe wrappin' about "cluttering" the List is nonsense. Do
we not
know where our delete keys are, or what?
for today,
Car05:15 PM 6/12/2011, Jedi wrote:
David,
I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split
might
actually be appropriate for this list. Yes, our list's mission
is to
talk about student issues. At the same time, it is also
understood
that the student organization represents future leadership. We
also
talk about philosophical issues that may or may not have anything
to
do with student status exactly. A discussion on the
organizational
split is a useful education. How can future leaders learn how to
lead the organization if there isn't much education on where
we've
been? I'm not suggesting that no education is currently present,
i'm
only suggesting that this list is a great venue for seasoned
Federationists to explore our history with newcomers and future
leaders.
I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached
(I
got a bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a similar
article from the Federation's viewpoint With that said, readers
can
see both sides. If the discussion has enough interest, we could
move
it off list to a conference call so as not to clutter the space
with
too many messages. During such a call, NFB leaders and
historians
could answer any questions posed to them by the student body
while
shairing their unique perspectives as individuals who either
lived
during the split or lived during the early years after the split.
What do you think about this possibility?
Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the
topics
for which it was intended. And ... the history was that people
broke
away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because
they
disagreed with the way things were done by us.
Dave
At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
Hi,
We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a
beef
between the consumer organizations.
There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
Car:
David,
I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication
of
the American Council of the Blind, so there might be
legal/ethical
issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels. But I
am
slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
circulating an issue of the braille Monitor describing the split
in
terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this
list?"
Sincerely,
Kirt
On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
David:
With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
opposing view
is he?
Is he telling us to join the ACB?
No, and I take that as harmless.
Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be
brought up by
future leaders anyway?
Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of
the
organization, but what we stand fore because as the world
evolves, so must
our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
say we will
follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
our aim--and
we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
principles of
blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
and are we not
open to discussion on this?
Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
is a hidden
threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
Jorge
On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
Chris:
While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is
inappropriate,
and not in step with the purpose of this list. This is not a
debating
society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille
Forum. This
list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding
of the
ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
David Andrews, List Owner
At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
Hmm... that's interesting. Well, I went out of my comfort
zone a little
and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum
(ACB's
magazine) by email. I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
Although
a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in
Reno,
please especially take time to read the President's Message
column from
Mitch Pomerantz. You'll see there what he says about the NFB and
Dr.
TenBroek and Dr.
Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the
United
States. What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot too
much?
Oh heck... another little debate won't hurt. * Smile!
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