[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Wed Jun 15 01:21:20 UTC 2011

Haha man, I think I'll just get it from the web site-this .doc isn't
legible at all.

On 6/14/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I attached it in BRF, TXT, and Microsoft Word.  The Forum
> originally came to me as the email itself rather than an
> attachment to it.  Maybe it's because when I copied and pasted
> it, it came out as computer Braille.  If you have a notetaker,
> you could probably open the BRF file no problem.  Just scan and
> download onto a thumb drive and import it onto the notetaker.
> Let me know if that works!
>
>  Chris
>
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>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:30:07 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
>
> Certainly.
> Also: the document will work, but only in its original brf form.
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Jedi wrote:
>
>  David,
>
>  I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split
> might actually be appropriate for this list.  Yes, our list's
> mission is to talk about student issues.  At the same time, it is
> also understood that the student organization represents future
> leadership.  We also talk about philosophical issues that may or
> may not have anything to do with student status exactly.  A
> discussion on the organizational split is a useful education.
> How can future leaders learn how to lead the organization if
> there isn't much education on where we've been? I'm not
> suggesting that no education is currently present, i'm only
> suggesting that this list is a great venue for seasoned
> Federationists to explore our history with newcomers and future
> leaders.
>
>  I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached
> (I got a bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a
> similar article from the Federation's viewpoint With that said,
> readers can see both sides.  If the discussion has enough
> interest, we could move it off list to a conference call so as
> not to clutter the space with too many messages.  During such a
> call, NFB leaders and historians could answer any questions posed
> to them by the student body while shairing their unique
> perspectives as individuals who either lived during the split or
> lived during the early years after the split.
>
>  What do you think about this possibility?
>
>  Respectfully,
>  Jedi
>
>  Original message:
>  I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the
> topics
>  for which it was intended.  And ...  the history was that people
> broke
>  away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because
> they
>  disagreed with the way things were done by us.
>
>  Dave
>
>  At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>  We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a
> beef
>  between the consumer organizations.
>  There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
>  Car:
>  David,
>   I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication
> of
>  the American Council of the Blind, so there might be
> legal/ethical
>  issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But
> I am
>  slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
>  circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the
> split in
>  terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this
> list?"
>   Sincerely,
>  Kirt
>
>  On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>  David:
>  With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
>
>  After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
>  opposing view
>  is he?
>  Is he telling us to join the ACB?
>  No, and I take that as harmless.
>
>  Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be
> brought up by
>  future leaders anyway?
>
>  Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of
> the
>  organization, but what we stand fore because as the world
> evolves, so must
>  our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
>  say we will
>  follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
>  our aim--and
>  we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
>  principles of
>  blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
>
>  You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
>  and are we not
>  open to discussion on this?
>  Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
>  are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
>  is a hidden
>  threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
>
>  I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
>  but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
>
>
>  Jorge
>
>
>  On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>  Chris:
>
>  While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is
> inappropriate,
>  and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a
> debating
>  society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille
> Forum.  This
>  list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding
> of the
>  ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
>
>  David Andrews, List Owner
>
>
>
>  At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>  Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
>  zone a little
>  and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum
> (ACB's
>  magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
> Although
>  a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in
> Reno,
>  please especially take time to read the President's Message
> column from
>  Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB
> and Dr.
>  TenBroek and Dr.
>  Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the
> United
>  States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot
> too much?
>  Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!
>
>
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