[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Jorge Paez computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Fri Jun 17 19:04:06 UTC 2011 

Fair enough, but if we pay to vote and we've paid perhaps in advanced and can't go we won't be able to express our thoughts in the elections--which is why I'm proposing this amendment.

On Jun 17, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Darian Smith wrote:

> but nothing says, that you must pay dues to be a member of nabs.
> you must pay dues to vote, yes, but there is much more to being a
> member of nabs (or any other student division or of the  federation)
> then to vote.
> 
> 
> On 6/17/11, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Firstly,  I personally like that  all of the people who arein the room
>> at the time of the meeting, and pay their five dollars can vote.  What
>> would happen if we change this?  would nobody show up?  I think it's
>> a good thing that the peole in the room get to vote for the people
>> who represent them.  If it matters to you who you elect, and if it
>> matters to you that people elect you, the idea of everyone voting and
>> running be in the same room is a big thing for me.
>> 
>> On 6/17/11, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> George,
>>>  can you explain a little more to me, how you believe  the
>>> constitution is in violation of student rights?
>>> 
>>> On 6/17/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I understand,
>>>> which is why that particular article violates our membership rights.
>>>> That is exactly what I'm trying to get fixed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Darian Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> George,
>>>>> in the constitution, the language states  clearly that there is to be
>>>>> no "proxy voting".  I have pasted the language for your review.
>>>>> "Officers and board members   shall be elected
>>>>> by a majority vote of the members of this Association present and
>>>>> voting. All officers and board   members must be in school for one
>>>>> year following their
>>>>> election. There shall be no proxy votes."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As the constitution of this division, and of our national  body
>>>>> prohibits  this,  we are indeed not in violation of our constitution.
>>>>> The constitution odes  provide for an   amendment to be  submitted
>>>>> for  consideration and review by the  membership.
>>>>> The text of  this provision follows:"This constitution may be amended
>>>>> at any regular meeting of the   Association by an affirmative vote of
>>>>> two-thirds of the active   members present and voting,
>>>>> provided the amendment has ben   submitted to the President in
>>>>> writing, at least one day in   advance of the regular meeting.
>>>>> "
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>> Nothing prohibits a student from runningin an election if they are
>>>>> not present- in fact this has  happen before.  It's really a matter of
>>>>> if the people present  believe the   individual seeking an office
>>>>> would  end up working  out better  for the organization than the
>>>>> people who are  currently in the room and seeking that same office.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this was helpful,
>>>>> darian
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/17/11, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In theory this is a good suggestion. But lets be realistic here. This
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be a complicated process of tallying the votes. If the students were
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> this, the general convention would want this too. Its sad that those
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be there,
>>>>>> should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the best job
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> distinguish from those who are really not going to those who are going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular person
>>>>>> running.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you can run,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
>>>>>> Different
>>>>>> divisions do this differently.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Jorge Paez
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>> I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution, to
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> IV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Voting
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present at the
>>>>>> convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but who have
>>>>>> paid
>>>>>> dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
>>>>>> ASSOCIATION
>>>>>> OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
>>>>>> these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are legal
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of this
>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> end of amendment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are to be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
>>>>>> Nation's
>>>>>> blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able to
>>>>>> attend
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and given
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> chance to vote in elections. If not, we are violating our own
>>>>>> constitution
>>>>>> as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain portion
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> student membership to vote.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jorge
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Darian Smith
>>>>> 
>>>>> “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> — Shaquille O'Neal
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> Darian Smith
>>> 
>>> “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.”
>>> 
>>> — Shaquille O'Neal
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Darian Smith
>> 
>> “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.”
>> 
>> — Shaquille O'Neal
>> 
> 
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> Darian Smith
> 
> “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.”
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> — Shaquille O'Neal
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