[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
Jorge Paez
computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Sat Jun 18 09:17:24 UTC 2011
Darian:
So how do I submit it?
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Darian Smith wrote:
> George,
> Because you do feel as strongly as you do about the matter, I would
> suggest writting out a well-thought out proposal and submitting it
> to the board. This proposal should proceed any amendment because
> the amenement in question requires quite a system to be put into
> place. If you want to move an idea, you have to put in writing and
> bring it to the people who you expect to make that change. The List
> serve ultimately won't accomplish what you are truly seeking,
> Best.
> Darian
>
> On 6/17/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps proxy was the wrong word to use, which is why I didn't include any
>> direct titles for that.
>> Yes an absentee system
>> is exactly what I was thinking of.
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Briley Pollard wrote:
>>
>>> If you actually read my response, you'd see I addressed the issues bring
>>> up. Of course I understand the financial burden, which I mentioned. But
>>> there is a lot of assistance available, and not just from the NFB itself.
>>> If people want to come, funding can be found. I'm in no way suggesting
>>> that people who can't attend aren't federationists or don't care about the
>>> organization. But proxy voting is not allowed for some very good reasons.
>>> Perhaps there could be an Absent-T system instituted similar to what the
>>> government has for legitimate circumstances. But, I'm not sure we as an
>>> organization have the funds or the resources necessary to take on that
>>> undertaking. It is an idea though.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Briley
>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right,
>>>> but tell me,
>>>> does everyone have the money to spend around $1,00 on convention costs?
>>>>
>>>> You specially as a student should know that.
>>>>
>>>> And as for me,
>>>> I have so far been a strong supporter of the federation, yet only have
>>>> gone to one national convention.
>>>> So if I don't show up this year are you suggesting that I am not a "true
>>>> federationist?" Because that's where your language is pointing towards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Briley Pollard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm hesitant to even weigh in on this debate since most relevant
>>>>> arguments have already been made. However, it is important to note that
>>>>> being present at the Nabs meeting every year indicates a certain amount
>>>>> of investment in the organization. I know convention is expensive, but
>>>>> there are multiple ways to procure funding outside of paying for
>>>>> everything yourself. I know that as students we don't have much
>>>>> expendable income. However, the yearly meeting of the organization as a
>>>>> whole and the division shows the membership and is a chance for us as
>>>>> members to make our wants and needs known by how we vote. If one cares
>>>>> enough about the organization to make that kind of time investment, then
>>>>> one has earned that right to participate in organizational positions and
>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Briley
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:52 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, and I will be sure to cast my vote for as many people whose
>>>>>> names I happen to know as possible. No, you’d need to manage passwords
>>>>>> and data security. There would be issues such as validity and
>>>>>> integrity of the ballot (who’s observing to ensure the votes are not
>>>>>> tampered with, etc.?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you are looking for is not proxy voting, but to change NABS
>>>>>> elections from being held at convention to being held online. That
>>>>>> means the elections process would need to happen (along with any
>>>>>> runoffs and revotes) prior to convention so that the newly elected
>>>>>> board members can meet with the old and arrange the transition plan as
>>>>>> best they can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If elections, why not resolutions and other business as well? Why
>>>>>> would we then send delegates from the states to vote? This would be a
>>>>>> fundamental change to the organization as a whole, and one that could
>>>>>> be exploited by those who have an axe to grind against the NFB.
>>>>>> Without becoming too confrontational, suffice it to say that such
>>>>>> individuals exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would also degrade our national convention from a policy-making body
>>>>>> to the status of a trade show for blind ghetto tech. I’m not sure
>>>>>> you’re going to find support for that amongst Federationists at
>>>>>> large—particularly since in order to do so you must first convince
>>>>>> those Federationists who will be attending Convention because it is a
>>>>>> policy-making body they wish to be part of that it should no longer be
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You would not have my support, even though I have only been to two
>>>>>> non-consecutive conventions now, because I wouldn’t want to see what
>>>>>> naturally comes from the application of your suggestion. To me, going
>>>>>> to convention is ABOUT something, whether I can attend or not. I for
>>>>>> one am not willing to give that up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, though I may attend the NABS meeting if I am not needed
>>>>>> elsewhere, I will not be voting. I am not a student anymore, as I
>>>>>> said, and NABS policy should IMO be set by those who are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:54:10PM -0400, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>>>>> So would I.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, security measures such as comparing someone's name against a
>>>>>>> database can easily be developed as well with some php.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A web based system could easily be developed, that's for sure. I
>>>>>>>> would be willing to help with that.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>>>> This is only theory to be aprooved--the web team would have to be in
>>>>>>>>> charge of developing some authentication method.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure we could make sure only absent people vote in some way such
>>>>>>>>> as having to enter with your name, and the site disqualifying you
>>>>>>>>> when you enter your vote if it sees that you're present.
>>>>>>>>> This is where the database of contact information would come in
>>>>>>>>> handy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In theory this is a good suggestion. But lets be realistic here.
>>>>>>>>>> This would
>>>>>>>>>> be a complicated process of tallying the votes. If the students
>>>>>>>>>> were to do
>>>>>>>>>> this, the general convention would want this too. Its sad that
>>>>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>>>>> can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be
>>>>>>>>>> there,
>>>>>>>>>> should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the best
>>>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> distinguish from those who are really not going to those who are
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> running.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you can
>>>>>>>>>> run, not
>>>>>>>>>> necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
>>>>>>>>>> Different
>>>>>>>>>> divisions do this differently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Jorge Paez
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>>>>>> I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution, to
>>>>>>>>>> article
>>>>>>>>>> IV.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Voting
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but who
>>>>>>>>>> have paid
>>>>>>>>>> dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
>>>>>>>>>> ASSOCIATION
>>>>>>>>>> OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
>>>>>>>>>> these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are
>>>>>>>>>> legal and of
>>>>>>>>>> good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of this
>>>>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> end of amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are to
>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>> democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
>>>>>>>>>> Nation's
>>>>>>>>>> blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able to
>>>>>>>>>> attend but
>>>>>>>>>> who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and given
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> chance to vote in elections. If not, we are violating our own
>>>>>>>>>> constitution
>>>>>>>>>> as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
>>>>>>>>>> members who
>>>>>>>>>> cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain
>>>>>>>>>> portion of the
>>>>>>>>>> student membership to vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
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