[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Sun Jun 19 17:34:12 UTC 2011

Kirt,

At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one 
thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the 
problem of this not working since we need to listen to each 
candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an 
introduction on the list.  When it gets close to the ACB 
convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does 
a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the 
candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice 
Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions 
directly of the candidates.  In the same way, we could have a 
NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce 
candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election 
that year.  One of our members (preferably one that isn't running 
so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the 
beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the 
candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time 
before a political election) and then open it up to the members 
to ask the candidates questions.  That way, this amendment could 
work because even people who aren't going to convention are 
prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee 
ballots.  In other words, let's do what the mainstream American 
media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can 
too! What do you think of this idea?

 Chris

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
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Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Jorge,
  You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm 
going
to be honest.  I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up 
all
sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me.  Consider the
following.
  We probably won't know all the candidates in the election 
*until*
the actual business meeting.  There could be someone who, for 
whatever
reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.  
I
think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in 
the
election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
long), before they cast their ballot.  That's only fair to all 
the
candidates involved.  I would consider supporting an idea that 
allows
those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an 
official
NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote.  Beyond 
that, I
don't think you have much of a case.
  Also, think about this.  Let's say you, hypothetically, were 
running
for NABS president.  You get a bunch of your blind friends who 
aren't
going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with 
the
Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members.  I'm 
not
saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that 
kind
of possibility open.  No matter how secure the voting method is, 
that
makes this something that could happen.  Do other organizations 
open
that door?  Sure.  Should we?  I say no.
  But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad.  I think, personally, 
if
we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance 
at
the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make 
convention,
I'd be all for allowing them to vote.  Maybe set up a shoutcast 
server
streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those 
due-paying
members who request it?  Make a conference call and only give the
calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for 
it?
If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't 
allow
that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in 
virtual
attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.  
Am I
making any sense?  Is that a possibility?
  All the best,
Kirt

On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
 Arielle:
 Not exactly,
 I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be 
able to
 submit it before July second.
 I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in 
light of the
 entire section.

 On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:

 Jorge,
 Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS 
meeting this
 year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
 convention yourself and can present and defend it?
 If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention, 
you
 will need to find someone else who will be there to read and 
defend
 it.
 Arielle

 On 6/17/11, Joseph C.  Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
 George,
 I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your 
time
 with this.  The organization isn't going to change this 
particular
 policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.  
For the
 record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a 
federationest
 and haven't been for some years now.  Too many differences of 
opinion.
 --
 "All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E.  P.  Box
 Joseph C.  Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net

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