[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Rania Ismail CMT
raniaismail04 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 19 17:46:43 UTC 2011
I think it's a wonderful idea!
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Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Kirt,
At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
introduction on the list. When it gets close to the ACB
convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does
a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
directly of the candidates. In the same way, we could have a
NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
that year. One of our members (preferably one that isn't running
so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
before a political election) and then open it up to the members
to ask the candidates questions. That way, this amendment could
work because even people who aren't going to convention are
prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
ballots. In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
too! What do you think of this idea?
Chris
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From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Jorge,
You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
going
to be honest. I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
all
sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me. Consider the
following.
We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
*until*
the actual business meeting. There could be someone who, for
whatever
reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
I
think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in
the
election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
long), before they cast their ballot. That's only fair to all
the
candidates involved. I would consider supporting an idea that
allows
those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
official
NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote. Beyond
that, I
don't think you have much of a case.
Also, think about this. Let's say you, hypothetically, were
running
for NABS president. You get a bunch of your blind friends who
aren't
going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
the
Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members. I'm
not
saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that
kind
of possibility open. No matter how secure the voting method is,
that
makes this something that could happen. Do other organizations
open
that door? Sure. Should we? I say no.
But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad. I think, personally,
if
we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance
at
the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
convention,
I'd be all for allowing them to vote. Maybe set up a shoutcast
server
streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
due-paying
members who request it? Make a conference call and only give the
calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for
it?
If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
allow
that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
virtual
attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
Am I
making any sense? Is that a possibility?
All the best,
Kirt
On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
Arielle:
Not exactly,
I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be
able to
submit it before July second.
I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
light of the
entire section.
On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
Jorge,
Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
meeting this
year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
convention yourself and can present and defend it?
If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
you
will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
defend
it.
Arielle
On 6/17/11, Joseph C. Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
George,
I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
time
with this. The organization isn't going to change this
particular
policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
For the
record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
federationest
and haven't been for some years now. Too many differences of
opinion.
--
"All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E. P. Box
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
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