[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Peter Donahue
pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
Sun Jun 19 19:14:57 UTC 2011
Hello Darian and everyone,
With shear determination, not taking excuses from myself, and deciding
that money wouldn't prevent me from attending that convention. Once I put
myself in the right mind-set everything else fell in to place. As an added
bonus I was rewarded during that convention by meeting my wife Mary whom I
have been married to for going on 27 years come March of 2012.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Peter,
would you mind explaining just how you made it to the 1984 convention?
Darian
Darian
On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Chris and everyone,
>
> For that matter you could find a way to get to the convention. Do you
> just want to listen to what a candidate has to say or meet them in person
> and be able to ask them questions concerning their goals for NABS. You
> have
> just about two weeks to make plans to be with us in Orlando.
>
> I pulled off attending the 1984 national convention on about three
> weeks
> notice without anything saved up. Had I not made the effort to go I would
> have regretted it as I probably wouldn't be married today. I'll take
> complete immersion over Internet pitches and streaming any day.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
>
> Kirt,
>
> At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
> thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
> problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
> candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
> introduction on the list. When it gets close to the ACB
> convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does
> a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
> candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
> Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
> directly of the candidates. In the same way, we could have a
> NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
> candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
> that year. One of our members (preferably one that isn't running
> so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
> beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
> candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
> before a political election) and then open it up to the members
> to ask the candidates questions. That way, this amendment could
> work because even people who aren't going to convention are
> prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
> ballots. In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
> media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
> too! What do you think of this idea?
>
> Chris
>
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>
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> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
> Jorge,
> You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
> going
> to be honest. I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
> all
> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me. Consider the
> following.
> We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
> *until*
> the actual business meeting. There could be someone who, for
> whatever
> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
> I
> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in
> the
> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
> long), before they cast their ballot. That's only fair to all
> the
> candidates involved. I would consider supporting an idea that
> allows
> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
> official
> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote. Beyond
> that, I
> don't think you have much of a case.
> Also, think about this. Let's say you, hypothetically, were
> running
> for NABS president. You get a bunch of your blind friends who
> aren't
> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
> the
> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members. I'm
> not
> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that
> kind
> of possibility open. No matter how secure the voting method is,
> that
> makes this something that could happen. Do other organizations
> open
> that door? Sure. Should we? I say no.
> But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad. I think, personally,
> if
> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance
> at
> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
> convention,
> I'd be all for allowing them to vote. Maybe set up a shoutcast
> server
> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
> due-paying
> members who request it? Make a conference call and only give the
> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for
> it?
> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
> allow
> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
> virtual
> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
> Am I
> making any sense? Is that a possibility?
> All the best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Arielle:
> Not exactly,
> I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be
> able to
> submit it before July second.
> I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
> light of the
> entire section.
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>
> Jorge,
> Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
> meeting this
> year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
> convention yourself and can present and defend it?
> If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
> you
> will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
> defend
> it.
> Arielle
>
> On 6/17/11, Joseph C. Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
> George,
> I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
> time
> with this. The organization isn't going to change this
> particular
> policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
> For the
> record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
> federationest
> and haven't been for some years now. Too many differences of
> opinion.
> --
> "All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E. P. Box
> Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
>
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