[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Sun Jun 19 19:18:07 UTC 2011

Please explainjust what fell into place- give us as students a  model
by your expirience?
 Darian

On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Darian and everyone,
>
>     With shear determination, not taking excuses from myself, and deciding
> that money wouldn't prevent me from attending that convention. Once I  put
> myself in the right mind-set everything else fell in to place. As an added
> bonus I was rewarded during that convention by meeting my wife Mary whom I
> have been married to for going on 27 years come March of 2012.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
>
> Peter,
>  would you mind explaining just how you made it to the 1984 convention?
>   Darian
>   Darian
>
> On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>
>>     For that matter you could find a way to get to the convention. Do you
>> just want to listen to what a candidate has to say or meet them in person
>> and be able to ask them questions concerning their goals for NABS. You
>> have
>> just about two weeks to make plans to be with us in Orlando.
>>
>>     I pulled off attending the 1984 national convention on about three
>> weeks
>> notice without anything saved up. Had I not made the effort to go I would
>> have regretted it as I probably wouldn't be married today. I'll take
>> complete immersion over Internet pitches and streaming any day.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>>
>>
>> Kirt,
>>
>> At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
>> thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
>> problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
>> candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
>> introduction on the list.  When it gets close to the ACB
>> convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does
>> a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
>> candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
>> Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
>> directly of the candidates.  In the same way, we could have a
>> NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
>> candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
>> that year.  One of our members (preferably one that isn't running
>> so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
>> beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
>> candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
>> before a political election) and then open it up to the members
>> to ask the candidates questions.  That way, this amendment could
>> work because even people who aren't going to convention are
>> prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
>> ballots.  In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
>> media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
>> too! What do you think of this idea?
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>> To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
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>>
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>>
>>  Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>>
>> Jorge,
>>   You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
>> going
>> to be honest.  I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
>> all
>> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me.  Consider the
>> following.
>>   We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
>> *until*
>> the actual business meeting.  There could be someone who, for
>> whatever
>> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
>> I
>> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in
>> the
>> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
>> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
>> long), before they cast their ballot.  That's only fair to all
>> the
>> candidates involved.  I would consider supporting an idea that
>> allows
>> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
>> official
>> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote.  Beyond
>> that, I
>> don't think you have much of a case.
>>   Also, think about this.  Let's say you, hypothetically, were
>> running
>> for NABS president.  You get a bunch of your blind friends who
>> aren't
>> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
>> the
>> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members.  I'm
>> not
>> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that
>> kind
>> of possibility open.  No matter how secure the voting method is,
>> that
>> makes this something that could happen.  Do other organizations
>> open
>> that door?  Sure.  Should we?  I say no.
>>   But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad.  I think, personally,
>> if
>> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance
>> at
>> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
>> convention,
>> I'd be all for allowing them to vote.  Maybe set up a shoutcast
>> server
>> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
>> due-paying
>> members who request it?  Make a conference call and only give the
>> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for
>> it?
>> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
>> allow
>> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
>> virtual
>> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
>> Am I
>> making any sense?  Is that a possibility?
>>   All the best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Arielle:
>>  Not exactly,
>>  I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be
>> able to
>>  submit it before July second.
>>  I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
>> light of the
>>  entire section.
>>
>>
>>  On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>>
>>  Jorge,
>>  Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
>> meeting this
>>  year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
>>  convention yourself and can present and defend it?
>>  If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
>> you
>>  will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
>> defend
>>  it.
>>  Arielle
>>
>>  On 6/17/11, Joseph C.  Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
>>  George,
>>  I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
>> time
>>  with this.  The organization isn't going to change this
>> particular
>>  policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
>> For the
>>  record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
>> federationest
>>  and haven't been for some years now.  Too many differences of
>> opinion.
>>  --
>>  "All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E.  P.  Box
>>  Joseph C.  Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
>>
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>>  Arielle Silverman
>>  President, National Association of Blind Students
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