[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Sun Jun 19 20:04:52 UTC 2011

hey Elizabeth that sounds like a great idea.
							Alexander Atlantic
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On Jun 19, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Elizabeth wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> Not trying to change the subject or anything, but is there any way you could give us a few tips or some advice on how we could find ourselves in the same situation as you? You know, going to convention, meeting a special someone, falling in love, getting married, and living life happily ever after? It sounds like an awesome deal to me, so where exactly do I go to sign up for that convention attraction? I don't remember seeing it listed anywhere in the agenda.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:14 PM
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> 
>> Hello Darian and everyone,
>> 
>>   With shear determination, not taking excuses from myself, and deciding
>> that money wouldn't prevent me from attending that convention. Once I  put
>> myself in the right mind-set everything else fell in to place. As an added
>> bonus I was rewarded during that convention by meeting my wife Mary whom I
>> have been married to for going on 27 years come March of 2012.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>> 
>> 
>> Peter,
>> would you mind explaining just how you made it to the 1984 convention?
>> Darian
>> Darian
>> 
>> On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>> 
>>>    For that matter you could find a way to get to the convention. Do you
>>> just want to listen to what a candidate has to say or meet them in person
>>> and be able to ask them questions concerning their goals for NABS. You
>>> have
>>> just about two weeks to make plans to be with us in Orlando.
>>> 
>>>    I pulled off attending the 1984 national convention on about three
>>> weeks
>>> notice without anything saved up. Had I not made the effort to go I would
>>> have regretted it as I probably wouldn't be married today. I'll take
>>> complete immersion over Internet pitches and streaming any day.
>>> 
>>> Peter Donahue
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kirt,
>>> 
>>> At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
>>> thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
>>> problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
>>> candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
>>> introduction on the list.  When it gets close to the ACB
>>> convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does
>>> a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
>>> candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
>>> Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
>>> directly of the candidates.  In the same way, we could have a
>>> NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
>>> candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
>>> that year.  One of our members (preferably one that isn't running
>>> so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
>>> beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
>>> candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
>>> before a political election) and then open it up to the members
>>> to ask the candidates questions.  That way, this amendment could
>>> work because even people who aren't going to convention are
>>> prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
>>> ballots.  In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
>>> media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
>>> too! What do you think of this idea?
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
>>> you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>> 
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
>>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
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>>> 
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>>> 
>>> Jorge,
>>>  You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
>>> going
>>> to be honest.  I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
>>> all
>>> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me.  Consider the
>>> following.
>>>  We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
>>> *until*
>>> the actual business meeting.  There could be someone who, for
>>> whatever
>>> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
>>> I
>>> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in
>>> the
>>> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
>>> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
>>> long), before they cast their ballot.  That's only fair to all
>>> the
>>> candidates involved.  I would consider supporting an idea that
>>> allows
>>> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
>>> official
>>> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote.  Beyond
>>> that, I
>>> don't think you have much of a case.
>>>  Also, think about this.  Let's say you, hypothetically, were
>>> running
>>> for NABS president.  You get a bunch of your blind friends who
>>> aren't
>>> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
>>> the
>>> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members.  I'm
>>> not
>>> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that
>>> kind
>>> of possibility open.  No matter how secure the voting method is,
>>> that
>>> makes this something that could happen.  Do other organizations
>>> open
>>> that door?  Sure.  Should we?  I say no.
>>>  But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad.  I think, personally,
>>> if
>>> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance
>>> at
>>> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
>>> convention,
>>> I'd be all for allowing them to vote.  Maybe set up a shoutcast
>>> server
>>> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
>>> due-paying
>>> members who request it?  Make a conference call and only give the
>>> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for
>>> it?
>>> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
>>> allow
>>> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
>>> virtual
>>> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
>>> Am I
>>> making any sense?  Is that a possibility?
>>>  All the best,
>>> Kirt
>>> 
>>> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Arielle:
>>> Not exactly,
>>> I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be
>>> able to
>>> submit it before July second.
>>> I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
>>> light of the
>>> entire section.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jorge,
>>> Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
>>> meeting this
>>> year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
>>> convention yourself and can present and defend it?
>>> If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
>>> you
>>> will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
>>> defend
>>> it.
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>> On 6/17/11, Joseph C.  Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
>>> George,
>>> I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
>>> time
>>> with this.  The organization isn't going to change this
>>> particular
>>> policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
>>> For the
>>> record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
>>> federationest
>>> and haven't been for some years now.  Too many differences of
>>> opinion.
>>> --
>>> "All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E.  P.  Box
>>> Joseph C.  Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
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>> 
>> -- 
>> Darian Smith
>> 
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>> 
>> — Shaquille O'Neal
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