[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

[David Andrews]

I think that when they know they will make a public announcement.  I 
would leave them alone if it was me!

At 11:53 AM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
>Yes, thanks, Dave! Do you think the national office would know and 
>if it would be worth calling them?
>
>Chris
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:48:51 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
>Thanks for the info, Mr.  Andrews.
>Best,
>Josh
>
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>Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:45:30 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
>No link has been released yet.  In fact there has
>been no statement as to whether or not there will
>be streaming at all.  I presume there will be but don't know for
>a fact.
>
>Dave
>
>At 03:45 PM 6/18/2011, you wrote:
>The banquet is on a Friday, July 8th.  And I
>would also like to know the link, since I can't go either.
>
>Chris
>
>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a
>local camp near you, just click on this link to
>their national Web site: www.campabilities.org.
>
>The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired
>youth in Maryland have the ability to
>confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link
>to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info.
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Serena Cucco" <serena.c.cucco at gmail.com
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
><nabs-l at nfbnet..org
>Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:42:40 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
>Speaking of streaming Convention, what's the link to listen to
>it?  I can't
>go this year.  Dang summer courses! **hahaha**  Also, what week
>night is
>the banquet?  I'll certainly listen to that, even if that's all I
>have time
>to listen to!
>
>Thanks,
>Serena
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:57 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
>We stream it so people who can't attend the convention can listen
>to it and still keep up to date on all the action that happens
>there.  Face it, some people just can't go to convention.  You
>know, that whole thing about 70 percent of blind people being
>unemployed.  Employment generates income, and sadly, a lot of
>blind people currently don't have it.
>
>Chris
>
>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
>you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
>www.campabilities.org.
>
>The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
>Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
>on this link to learn more and to contribute:
>www.icanfoundation.info.
>
>Sent from my BrailleNote
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:05:29 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
>Well,
>if the real deal is being at convention then why stream it?
>
>
>On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:52 PM, T.  Joseph Carter wrote:
>
>Right, and I will be sure to cast my vote for as many people
>whose names I happen to know as possible.  No, you? need to
>manage passwords and data security.  There would be issues such
>as validity and integrity of the ballot (who? observing to
>ensure the votes are not tampered with, etc.?)
>
>What you are looking for is not proxy voting, but to change NABS
>elections from being held at convention to being held online.
>That means the elections process would need to happen (along with
>any runoffs and revotes) prior to convention so that the newly
>elected board members can meet with the old and arrange the
>transition plan as best they can.
>
>If elections, why not resolutions and other business as well?
>Why would we then send delegates from the states to vote?  This
>would be a fundamental change to the organization as a whole, and
>one that could be exploited by those who have an axe to grind
>against the NFB.  Without becoming too confrontational, suffice
>it to say that such individuals exist.
>
>It would also degrade our national convention from a
>policy-making body to the status of a trade show for blind ghetto
>tech.  I? not sure you?e going to find support for that amongst
>Federationists at large?articularly since in order to do so you
>must first convince those Federationists who will be attending
>Convention because it is a policy-making body they wish to be
>part of that it should no longer be so.
>
>You would not have my support, even though I have only been to
>two non-consecutive conventions now, because I wouldn? want to
>see what naturally comes from the application of your suggestion.
>To me, going to convention is ABOUT something, whether I can
>attend or not.  I for one am not willing to give that up.
>
>That said, though I may attend the NABS meeting if I am not
>needed elsewhere, I will not be voting.  I am not a student
>anymore, as I said, and NABS policy should IMO be set by those
>who are.
>
>Joseph
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:54:10PM -0400, Jorge Paez wrote:
>So would I.
>
>And, security measures such as comparing someone's name against
>a database can easily be developed as well with some php.
>
>
>On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
>A web based system could easily be developed, that's for sure.
>I would be willing to help with that.
>On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>
>Marsha:
>This is only theory to be aprooved--the web team would have to
>be in charge of developing some authentication method.
>I'm sure we could make sure only absent people vote in some way
>such as having to enter with your name, and the site
>disqualifying you when you enter your vote if it sees that you're
>present.
>This is where the database of contact information would come in
>handy.
>
>
>On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>
>In theory this is a good suggestion.  But lets be realistic
>here.  This would
>be a complicated process of tallying the votes.  If the students
>were to do
>this, the general convention would want this too.  Its sad that
>those who
>can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be
>there,
>should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the
>best job
>possible.
>
>Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you
>going to
>distinguish from those who are really not going to those who are
>going to
>convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular
>person
>running.
>
>Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you can
>run, not
>necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
>Different
>divisions do this differently.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Jorge Paez
>Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
>Hello all:
>I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution,
>to article
>IV.
>
>
>
>
>---
>
>
>Voting
>
>
>Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present at
>the
>convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but
>who have paid
>dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
>ASSOCIATION
>OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
>these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are
>legal and of
>good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of
>this
>organization.
>
>
>
>---
>
>
>end of amendment.
>
>The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are
>to be a
>democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
>Nation's
>blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able
>to attend but
>who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and
>given the
>chance to vote in elections.  If not, we are violating our own
>constitution
>as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
>members who
>cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain
>portion of the
>student membership to vote.
>
>
>Jorge