[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Sun Jun 19 16:53:42 UTC 2011

Yes, thanks, Dave! Do you think the national office would know 
and if it would be worth calling them?

 Chris

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 ----- Original Message -----
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Thanks for the info, Mr.  Andrews.
Best,
Josh

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 ----- Original Message -----
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No link has been released yet.  In fact there has
been no statement as to whether or not there will
be streaming at all.  I presume there will be but don't know for
a fact.

Dave

At 03:45 PM 6/18/2011, you wrote:
The banquet is on a Friday, July 8th.  And I
would also like to know the link, since I can't go either.

Chris

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Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:42:40 -0400
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Speaking of streaming Convention, what's the link to listen to
it?  I can't
go this year.  Dang summer courses! **hahaha**  Also, what week
night is
the banquet?  I'll certainly listen to that, even if that's all I
have time
to listen to!

Thanks,
Serena

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
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Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

We stream it so people who can't attend the convention can listen
to it and still keep up to date on all the action that happens
there.  Face it, some people just can't go to convention.  You
know, that whole thing about 70 percent of blind people being
unemployed.  Employment generates income, and sadly, a lot of
blind people currently don't have it.

Chris

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
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Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:05:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Well,
if the real deal is being at convention then why stream it?

On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:52 PM, T.  Joseph Carter wrote:

Right, and I will be sure to cast my vote for as many people
whose names I happen to know as possible.  No, you? need to
manage passwords and data security.  There would be issues such
as validity and integrity of the ballot (who? observing to
ensure the votes are not tampered with, etc.?)

What you are looking for is not proxy voting, but to change NABS
elections from being held at convention to being held online.
That means the elections process would need to happen (along with
any runoffs and revotes) prior to convention so that the newly
elected board members can meet with the old and arrange the
transition plan as best they can.

If elections, why not resolutions and other business as well?
Why would we then send delegates from the states to vote?  This
would be a fundamental change to the organization as a whole, and
one that could be exploited by those who have an axe to grind
against the NFB.  Without becoming too confrontational, suffice
it to say that such individuals exist.

It would also degrade our national convention from a
policy-making body to the status of a trade show for blind ghetto
tech.  I? not sure you?e going to find support for that amongst
Federationists at large?articularly since in order to do so you
must first convince those Federationists who will be attending
Convention because it is a policy-making body they wish to be
part of that it should no longer be so.

You would not have my support, even though I have only been to
two non-consecutive conventions now, because I wouldn? want to
see what naturally comes from the application of your suggestion.
To me, going to convention is ABOUT something, whether I can
attend or not.  I for one am not willing to give that up.

That said, though I may attend the NABS meeting if I am not
needed elsewhere, I will not be voting.  I am not a student
anymore, as I said, and NABS policy should IMO be set by those
who are.

Joseph

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:54:10PM -0400, Jorge Paez wrote:
So would I.

And, security measures such as comparing someone's name against
a database can easily be developed as well with some php.

On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

A web based system could easily be developed, that's for sure.
I would be willing to help with that.
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:

Marsha:
This is only theory to be aprooved--the web team would have to
be in charge of developing some authentication method.
I'm sure we could make sure only absent people vote in some way
such as having to enter with your name, and the site
disqualifying you when you enter your vote if it sees that you're
present.
This is where the database of contact information would come in
handy.

On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:

In theory this is a good suggestion.  But lets be realistic
here.  This would
be a complicated process of tallying the votes.  If the students
were to do
this, the general convention would want this too.  Its sad that
those who
can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be
there,
should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the
best job
possible.

Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you
going to
distinguish from those who are really not going to those who are
going to
convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular
person
running.

Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you can
run, not
necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
Different
divisions do this differently.

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge Paez
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Hello all:
I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution,
to article
IV.

---

Voting

Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present at
the
convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but
who have paid
dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION
OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are
legal and of
good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of
this
organization.

---

end of amendment.

The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are
to be a
democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
Nation's
blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able
to attend but
who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and
given the
chance to vote in elections.  If not, we are violating our own
constitution
as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
members who
cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain
portion of the
student membership to vote.

Jorge

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