[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Kirt Manwaring
kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Mon Jun 20 16:16:12 UTC 2011
Chris,
I wish something like this were practical. Even ACB, to the best of
my knowledge, restricts voting to those in attendance at convention.
It just makes sense. Is it fair to those who can't attend convention?
Probably not. Is there a better way to guarantee security and fair
rights for all the candidates and the greatest number of voters? No,
I'd say there isn't.
There you have it, folks,
Kirt
On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, Elizabeth! This would make for a very interesting thread on
> the list, however maybe not for our list in particular. You
> might want to email Peter offlist. I would say this one thing,
> unless Peter did something special, I think it's sheer luck. No
> guarantees in dating, in my opinion. Just some tips! I'm not
> going to go into this discussion any more than that.
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
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>
> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to learn more and to contribute:
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:52:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
> Peter,
>
> Not trying to change the subject or anything, but is there any
> way you could
> give us a few tips or some advice on how we could find ourselves
> in the same
> situation as you? You know, going to convention, meeting a
> special someone,
> falling in love, getting married, and living life happily ever
> after? It
> sounds like an awesome deal to me, so where exactly do I go to
> sign up for
> that convention attraction? I don't remember seeing it listed
> anywhere in
> the agenda.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:14 PM
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
> Hello Darian and everyone,
>
> With shear determination, not taking excuses from myself, and
> deciding
> that money wouldn't prevent me from attending that convention.
> Once I put
> myself in the right mind-set everything else fell in to place.
> As an added
> bonus I was rewarded during that convention by meeting my wife
> Mary whom I
> have been married to for going on 27 years come March of 2012.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
>
> Peter,
> would you mind explaining just how you made it to the 1984
> convention?
> Darian
> Darian
>
> On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Chris and everyone,
>
> For that matter you could find a way to get to the
> convention. Do you
> just want to listen to what a candidate has to say or meet them
> in person
> and be able to ask them questions concerning their goals for
> NABS. You
> have
> just about two weeks to make plans to be with us in Orlando.
>
> I pulled off attending the 1984 national convention on about
> three
> weeks
> notice without anything saved up. Had I not made the effort to
> go I would
> have regretted it as I probably wouldn't be married today. I'll
> take
> complete immersion over Internet pitches and streaming any day.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
>
> Kirt,
>
> At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
> thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
> problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
> candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
> introduction on the list. When it gets close to the ACB
> convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station)
> does
> a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
> candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
> Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
> directly of the candidates. In the same way, we could have a
> NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
> candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
> that year. One of our members (preferably one that isn't
> running
> so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
> beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
> candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
> before a political election) and then open it up to the members
> to ask the candidates questions. That way, this amendment could
> work because even people who aren't going to convention are
> prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
> ballots. In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
> media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
> too! What do you think of this idea?
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
> motto)
> To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to learn more and to contribute:
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
>
> Jorge,
> You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
> going
> to be honest. I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
> all
> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me. Consider
> the
> following.
> We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
> *until*
> the actual business meeting. There could be someone who, for
> whatever
> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
> I
> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting
> in
> the
> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
> long), before they cast their ballot. That's only fair to all
> the
> candidates involved. I would consider supporting an idea that
> allows
> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
> official
> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote. Beyond
> that, I
> don't think you have much of a case.
> Also, think about this. Let's say you, hypothetically, were
> running
> for NABS president. You get a bunch of your blind friends who
> aren't
> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
> the
> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members. I'm
> not
> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving
> that
> kind
> of possibility open. No matter how secure the voting method is,
> that
> makes this something that could happen. Do other organizations
> open
> that door? Sure. Should we? I say no.
> But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad. I think,
> personally,
> if
> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual
> attendance
> at
> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
> convention,
> I'd be all for allowing them to vote. Maybe set up a shoutcast
> server
> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
> due-paying
> members who request it? Make a conference call and only give
> the
> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask
> for
> it?
> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
> allow
> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
> virtual
> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
> Am I
> making any sense? Is that a possibility?
> All the best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Arielle:
> Not exactly,
> I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should
> be
> able to
> submit it before July second.
> I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
> light of the
> entire section.
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>
> Jorge,
> Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
> meeting this
> year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
> convention yourself and can present and defend it?
> If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
> you
> will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
> defend
> it.
> Arielle
>
> On 6/17/11, Joseph C. Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
> George,
> I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
> time
> with this. The organization isn't going to change this
> particular
> policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
> For the
> record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
> federationest
> and haven't been for some years now. Too many differences of
> opinion.
> --
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> Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
>
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