[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Mon Jun 20 14:35:53 UTC 2011
Wow, Elizabeth! This would make for a very interesting thread on
the list, however maybe not for our list in particular. You
might want to email Peter offlist. I would say this one thing,
unless Peter did something special, I think it's sheer luck. No
guarantees in dating, in my opinion. Just some tips! I'm not
going to go into this discussion any more than that.
Chris
"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
www.campabilities.org.
The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
on this link to learn more and to contribute:
www.icanfoundation.info.
Sent from my BrailleNote
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:52:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Peter,
Not trying to change the subject or anything, but is there any
way you could
give us a few tips or some advice on how we could find ourselves
in the same
situation as you? You know, going to convention, meeting a
special someone,
falling in love, getting married, and living life happily ever
after? It
sounds like an awesome deal to me, so where exactly do I go to
sign up for
that convention attraction? I don't remember seeing it listed
anywhere in
the agenda.
Thanks,
Elizabeth
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:14 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Hello Darian and everyone,
With shear determination, not taking excuses from myself, and
deciding
that money wouldn't prevent me from attending that convention.
Once I put
myself in the right mind-set everything else fell in to place.
As an added
bonus I was rewarded during that convention by meeting my wife
Mary whom I
have been married to for going on 27 years come March of 2012.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Peter,
would you mind explaining just how you made it to the 1984
convention?
Darian
Darian
On 6/19/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello Chris and everyone,
For that matter you could find a way to get to the
convention. Do you
just want to listen to what a candidate has to say or meet them
in person
and be able to ask them questions concerning their goals for
NABS. You
have
just about two weeks to make plans to be with us in Orlando.
I pulled off attending the 1984 national convention on about
three
weeks
notice without anything saved up. Had I not made the effort to
go I would
have regretted it as I probably wouldn't be married today. I'll
take
complete immersion over Internet pitches and streaming any day.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Kirt,
At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one
thing that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the
problem of this not working since we need to listen to each
candidate's introduction speech if they haven't done such an
introduction on the list. When it gets close to the ACB
convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station)
does
a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the
candidates running for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice
Presidents, etc) where members can call in and ask questions
directly of the candidates. In the same way, we could have a
NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we introduce
candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
that year. One of our members (preferably one that isn't
running
so as to prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the
beginning (like an interview, you know, one of those "meet the
candidate" interviews that they have on the radio all the time
before a political election) and then open it up to the members
to ask the candidates questions. That way, this amendment could
work because even people who aren't going to convention are
prepared to make their decision when they vote on their absentee
ballots. In other words, let's do what the mainstream American
media and the government do, because if they can do it, we can
too! What do you think of this idea?
Chris
"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
motto)
To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
www.campabilities.org.
The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
on this link to learn more and to contribute:
www.icanfoundation.info.
Sent from my BrailleNote
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
Jorge,
You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm
going
to be honest. I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up
all
sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me. Consider
the
following.
We probably won't know all the candidates in the election
*until*
the actual business meeting. There could be someone who, for
whatever
reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.
I
think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting
in
the
election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
long), before they cast their ballot. That's only fair to all
the
candidates involved. I would consider supporting an idea that
allows
those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an
official
NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote. Beyond
that, I
don't think you have much of a case.
Also, think about this. Let's say you, hypothetically, were
running
for NABS president. You get a bunch of your blind friends who
aren't
going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with
the
Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members. I'm
not
saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving
that
kind
of possibility open. No matter how secure the voting method is,
that
makes this something that could happen. Do other organizations
open
that door? Sure. Should we? I say no.
But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad. I think,
personally,
if
we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual
attendance
at
the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make
convention,
I'd be all for allowing them to vote. Maybe set up a shoutcast
server
streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those
due-paying
members who request it? Make a conference call and only give
the
calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask
for
it?
If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't
allow
that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in
virtual
attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.
Am I
making any sense? Is that a possibility?
All the best,
Kirt
On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
Arielle:
Not exactly,
I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should
be
able to
submit it before July second.
I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in
light of the
entire section.
On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
Jorge,
Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS
meeting this
year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
convention yourself and can present and defend it?
If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention,
you
will need to find someone else who will be there to read and
defend
it.
Arielle
On 6/17/11, Joseph C. Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
George,
I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your
time
with this. The organization isn't going to change this
particular
policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.
For the
record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a
federationest
and haven't been for some years now. Too many differences of
opinion.
--
"All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E. P. Box
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.pres
ident%40gmail.com
--
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone: 602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/computert
echjorgepaez%40gmail.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz
ydude%40gmail.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info
for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu
sbaum%40gmail.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2
%40satx..rr.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb
%40gmail.com
--
Darian Smith
“My secret? See it, and stay focused on it.”
— Shaquille O'Neal
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2
%40satx.rr.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke
%40hotmail.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu
sbaum%40gmail.com
More information about the NABS-L
mailing list