[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
David Andrews
dandrews at visi.com
Wed Jun 22 01:53:03 UTC 2011
It was two or three years ago.
Dave
At 12:25 PM 6/21/2011, you wrote:
>Dave,
> How long ago was this? Things could've changed since you last went
>if it's been a while, maybe? And, with respect, this is a big deal to
>a lot of us. I know for me it's a lot more than a "small
>consideration", I like to know the past as much as I can because it
>shaped the here and now. I can read the books put out by each
>organization-they probably both have lots of the truth intermingled
>with their respective agendas. But nothing beats talking to people
>who have studied the issues or, preferably, people who were actually
>there.
> All the best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> > The two biggest things I noticed at an ACB national convention were
> > that the crowd was considerably smaller than that at a NFB convention
> > -- less exhibits etc. too. The second things was that there were few
> > young persons -- some but noticeably not very many. One of the major
> > things that the ACB has pushed in the past is that it is different
> > from the NFB, it does things differently etc. This doesn't really
> > matter to younger people though, so they have little reason to join, so
> > don't.
> >
> > You guys can spend lots of time on the history, and differences if
> > you want -- but what is the point. It happened, it is over with and
> > done. Yes we can and should learn from our history, but it is just
> > one small consideration.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
> >> I do see your point. Those alive at the time are not, and will
> >>probabluy never be friends. Heck, getting them to actually talk in
> >>peace would be the achievement of the century! if such a call were
> >>to hypothetically happen, how could we keep it from opening old wounds
> >>and stoking old fires?
> >> Best,
> >>Kirt
> >>
> >>On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Dave,
> >> >
> >> > Our joint conference call isn't associated whatsoever with the
> >> > proposition of a change in the NFB bylaw. If I'm setting this
> >> > up, which it appears I am, I didn't even have the intention of
> >> > mentioning that proposition on the call. The call's purpose is
> >> > to learn the history of the NFB/ACB, with a little emphasis on
> >> > the "civil war" period, from both sides so we are informed. I
> >> > also want this call to start a discussion on the history of our
> >> > movement and what we can learn from it, not only as
> >> > Federationists, but as blind students. Jorge and I have found
> >> > some ways that we can hold the call without making it a NABS
> >> > membership call, if it is entirely necessary. And as to your
> >> > comments about them not being our friends, then using your
> >> > argument, the Republicans should not hear the Democrats point of
> >> > view in meetings of Congress, but the two parties should be
> >> > separated from each other for fear of their own side being
> >> > attacked. We can keep our same opinions, and probably many
> >> > Federationists and Council members who attend this call will.
> >> > This is just a way that we can be more informed when forming
> >> > these opinions.
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> > To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> >> > you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >
> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
> >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute:
> >> > www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:39:01 -0500
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> >> > interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >
> >> > Chris:
> >> >
> >> > I don't want to friend anyone -- but I think this is a terrible
> >> > idea! Remember the ACB split off from the NFB because they
> >> > thought
> >> > that we were all wrong, did our business in the wrong way etc. I
> >> > am
> >> > not going to say that we can't learn anything from the ACB, but
> >> > not a
> >> > history lesson. I was at a ACb National Convention a few years
> >> > ago
> >> > -- and heard the NFB attacked openly and indirectly. These folks
> >> > are
> >> > not our friends. We can work jointly at times, and should, and I
> >> > don't think we should be against them, for the sake of it, as
> >> > some of
> >> > my old-timer friends are -- but a joint conference call on
> >> > consideration of a change to a NFB division bylaw is going to
> >> > far!
> >> >
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> > At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
> >> > Kirt,
> >> >
> >> > I have a friend in the Council that I will see Monday night, so I
> >> > plan to give this idea to him and ask if he knows someone in the
> >> > Council that would be knowledgeable enough and willing to attend
> >> > this call on behalf of the Council as an expert on their history.
> >> > Maybe it would be better if someone like me moderated. Keep in
> >> > mind
> >> > that I did volunteer, but I'm not degrading anyone else, I'm just
> >> > using myself as an example here. I'm a member of the Federation,
> >> > but I'm not a hard-line "NFB is good, ACB bad" person, so I
> >> > wouldn't
> >> > show any bias to NFB or ACB. I also am not currently a
> >> > contributing
> >> > (due-paying) member of NABS, so I'm not a leader in it of
> >> > course. That way, we wouldn't have any bias.
> >> > I think it would be easy to have it jointly attended even if it's
> >> > an
> >> > official NABS call. If we have a representative of ACB on the
> >> > call,
> >> > we could probably easily get other members of ACB on the call to
> >> > kind of back up or add to that guest speaker's information.
> >> > Thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> > To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> >> > you,
> >> > just click on this link to their national Web site:
> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >
> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> >> > Maryland
> >> > have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this
> >> > link
> >> > to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:45:08 -0600
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> >> > interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >
> >> > Carley,
> >> > The two organizations don't really claim to be "friends" as
> >> > such-it
> >> > seems like now they just mostly ignore each other, work jointly
> >> > when
> >> > their agendas converge and play politics when they don't. Maybe
> >> > they
> >> > aren't enemies, but the official organizations don't really
> >> > advertise
> >> > themselves as friends.
> >> > While it would be great to have people from both organizations
> >> > participate in a joint call, I don't see it happening. Here's
> >> > hoping
> >> > though, I guess It's certainly a nice thought-although, if the
> >> > call
> >> > were to have presentations from members of both organizations, it
> >> > probably should be jointly moderated and attended. The NFB (or
> >> > probably even NABS) would, I'm betting, not be inclined to go
> >> > there.
> >> > So maybe we'll have better luck going through unnoficial channels
> >> > and
> >> > setting this up on our own? No need to make it an official event
> >> > for
> >> > either the Federation or the Council-I think it's safe to say
> >> > that
> >> > idea was doomed to fail before it was brought up.
> >> > Best,
> >> > Kirt
> >> >
> >> > On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > And, as I said before, I would be very willing to moderate this
> >> > call. Please keep me posted!
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> > To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> >> > you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >
> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
> >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute:
> >> > www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:04 -0400
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> >> > interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >
> >> > This call would be very interesting indeed. If representatives
> >> > from both organizations are willing to participate, it can really
> >> > be productive in many ways.
> >> > On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Good morning, list,
> >> >
> >> > A few days ago, someone on the NABS list suggested a
> >> > conference
> >> > call bringing clarity to a younger generation. What, exactly, is
> >> > the history of the ideological parting of ways, between the
> >> > Federation and the Council? Does anybody know today, the history
> >> > of this division or is it a product of sheer habit as is the case
> >> > with Republicans and Democrats? If such a meeting of both
> >> > entities were to take place, There ought to be representation of
> >> > both organizations so that a wholistic portrait of this issue
> >> > can be exercised.
> >> >
> >> > and its split from the ACB. This seems like a productive and
> >> > enlightening discussion but I wonder, if the Federation and the
> >> > council claim to be friends, should there not be representation
> >> > from both sides, identifying their position and whereabouts
> >> > they stand, in this? At
> >> > ---- Original Message ------
> >> > From: "Joe Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com> (by way of David
> >> > Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >> > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> > into History,Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> > Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:26:45 -0500
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Save The Date:
> >> >
> >> > On Wednesday, June 22,at 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
> >> > Joe
> >> > Ruffalo will interview Parnell Diggs, chair of the Imagination
> >> > Fund,
> >> > Race for Independence.
> >> >
> >> > The interview will highlight current and past grants awarded to
> >> > state
> >> > affiliates and chapters.
> >> > In addition, featured will be Imaginators who will share the
> >> > methods
> >> > to make the ask to make a difference in changing what it means
> >> > to be blind.
> >> >
> >> > Special highlight of the interview will be the announcement of
> >> > the 30
> >> > winners who will have the opportunity to be driven by a blind
> >> > driver
> >> > while attending
> >> > the national convention in Orlando.
> >> >
> >> > Witness the opportunity to ride into history!
> >> >
> >> > To watch and listen to the interview, please visit the
> >> > following:
> >> > <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >> >
> >> > For JAWS users and mobile phone users, please visit the
> >> > following:
> >> >
> >> > m.thruoureyes.org
> >> >
> >> > Other options to watch or listen can be found on the sites
> >> > listed above.
> >> >
> >> > To call in with comments or questions, please dial the
> >> > following:
> >> > 1 888 572 0141
> >> > Join us to Make a Difference!
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
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