[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 23 01:53:05 UTC 2011
I totally agree with you Jesse. Hearing for traffic and to llearn the skills to listen for traffic is important, but audible traffic signals are helpful for those who are not confident travelers to feel somewhat secure to cross a busy street.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Hartle, Jesse <JHartle at nfb.org> wrote:
> From: Hartle, Jesse <JHartle at nfb.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 2:31 PM
> I would only say that an audible
> traffic signal will only alert an individual to the fact
> that the light has changed. It does not indicate
> whether a driver is going to run the light, or if a car is
> going to make a right hand turn on red. Therefore the
> fall back returns to listening to the sound of the traffic
> to determine if it is safe to proceed in to the
> crossing. Just my thoughts. Jesse
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Anmol Bhatia
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
> June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Jessica,
> Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind person
> to feel mobil even if they don't have good mobility skills
> and frankly I would rather have audible street lights then
> to see a blind person get killed because they could not
> figure out how the traffic goes.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me
> sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but
> it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our
> Eyes interview,
> > Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM There are
> certain types of
> > intersections where no matter how long you stand there
> and listen to
> > traffic you will never hear a good cycle so in those
> cases I actually
> > support aps. Just keep that in mind when someone talks
> about every
> > intersection being crossable by listening to traffic.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Anmol,
> > > It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll be
> > possible, some day. Never say
> > > never, ri9ght?
> > > But here's the thing. The two
> > organizations have evolved two
> > > separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
> doing
> > something really bad
> > > and generalizing. If anyone who knows more
> than
> > I do wants to correct
> > > me here, feel free.
> > > The stance the ACB seems to take more often
> than
> > not is to make the
> > > environment more accessible for us. This
> is
> > evidenced by their
> > > support for audible street signals (which make a
> lot
> > of sense to me,
> > > I'm not really convinced one way or the other on
> that
> > one yet),
> > > tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
> provisions
> > in the ADA to
> > > make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
> communications
> > act, their
> > > support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal design
> in
> > technology, etc.
> > > They also use lots of their resources to fight
> > descrimination, at
> > > least it seems that way to me.
> > > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to more
> often
> > than not advocate us
> > > adapting to the environment. This is
> evidenced
> > by the strict
> > > standards of training centers, pushing braille,
> > opposition to the
> > > tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
> traffic
> > rather than
> > > audible signals (which makes a lot of sense to
> me),
> > our philosophy
> > > that with the right training and opportunity we
> can
> > compete on an
> > > equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
> challenge,
> > etc. Of course
> > > the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in the
> > environment (technology
> > > bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and the
> ADA
> > which we also
> > > supported), and the ACB does advocate for
> quality
> > independence
> > > training/O&M. But, those are the rough
> > philosophies of the two
> > > organizations, if we're going by their records.
> > Is the ACB wrong?
> > > No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of a
> fit
> > with my vision of
> > > blindness. I just think thee two separate
> > methodoligies willkeep us
> > > from ever uniting as one group...and that's ok.
> > We all have the
> > > right, even the obligation to advocate for
> ourselves
> > and those we
> > > represent. The ACB does it their way, we do
> it
> > ours. Sometimes there
> > > is overlap, lots of times our philosophies take
> us in
> > different
> > > directions and put us on opposite sides of
> important
> > issues. When our
> > > aims are the same (or similar), we need to work
> > together and present a
> > > united front. When we are at odds (which
> we
> > often are, the two
> > > organizations really are very different), we both
> have
> > the right to
> > > push our separate agendas and attempt to get our
> > policies implimented.
> > > Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> > politics. We don't have
> > > to be bitter about it and, on the personal level,
> we
> > can still be good
> > > friends even when our politics are at odds.
> > > Just my thoughts,
> > > Kirt
> > >
> > > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Kirt,
> > >> You bring some vary valid points, and yes we
> have
> > beaten the
> > >> democrats/republicans analogy to death
> but
> > it keeps coming up as a
> > >> comparison, so I will just say one thing
> about
> > this. I may have already said
> > >> this before on the list, but please furgive
> me if
> > I have. The blind
> > >> community is a to small of a community to be
> > divided on partizen lines like
> > >> democrats and republicans, and our challenges
> are
> > to great to be divided
> > >> like democrats and republicans. Sure there
> will be
> > differences between
> > >> members of the ACB and members of the NFB on
> how
> > business should be
> > >> conducted, but honestly there differences
> between
> > members of each
> > >> organization on how their organization should
> do
> > business.
> > >> True there were disagreement on how business
> > should and leadership issues
> > >> causing the split between the NFB and ACB, I
> > consider the leadership issues
> > >> to be pitty differences. Often when one
> candidate
> > loses, they and their
> > >> supporters go and form their on organization
> or
> > chapter. This happened at my
> > >> local NFB chapter and as a result we have two
> NFB
> > chapters in a small town.
> > >> Now some may consider this to be a good
> thing, but
> > think about how much more
> > >> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter in
> > Fayetteville in recruiting,
> > >> fund raising and my volunteers for events.
> In
> > addition, these types of
> > >> childish arguements causes many blind people
> who
> > otherwise may be involved
> > >> in a blind organization to be a "fense
> sitters".
> > Now using this analogy to
> > >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
> that NFB
> > has, but they are not
> > >> poor eather. Their attendence is not as large
> at
> > the conventions, but it is
> > >> not small eather. Think if both of these
> > organizations were together how
> > >> much more money we would have to do policy
> that
> > each organization does or
> > >> the advocacy work that each
> organization
> > does, and think about how much
> > >> larger the convention would be. We would pack
> two
> > hotels full or near full.
> > >> In addition, think about how much venders
> would be
> > giving out in prizes
> > >> because now insteading having to spend money
> to
> > send their workers to two
> > >> convention, they will only have to send
> their
> > workers to one convention. In
> > >> addition, most venders give out big prizes at
> each
> > convention and if there
> > >> was only one convention, they can give two
> > prizes.
> > >> However, you are right in that realistically
> the
> > two organizations will not
> > >> merge any time soon.
> > >>
> > >> best wishes,
> > >> Anmol
> > >> I seldom think about my limitations, and
> they
> > never make me sad. Perhaps
> > >> there is just a touch of yearning at times;
> but it
> > is vague, like a breeze
> > >> among flowers.
> > >> Hellen Keller
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> > Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> > >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
> June
> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> > >>> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> > mailing list"
> > >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
> PM Anmol,
> > >>> I don't really see a
> merger
> > happening any time soon,
> > >>> nor would I
> > >>> want it to. We've all beaten the
> > democrat/republican
> > >>> analogy to
> > >>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and
> Mitt
> > Romney in the
> > >>> same political
> > >>> party. It just wouldn't work.
> > There are huge
> > >>> differences. It
> > >>> doesn't make the NFB better for everyone,
> but
> > it makes the
> > >>> NFB better
> > >>> for me. I have lots of respect for
> my
> > friends in the
> > >>> ACB who stand up
> > >>> and fight for their agenda. Lots of
> the
> > times, it's
> > >>> the same as mine.
> > >>> When it's not, we can talk without being
> > jackasses to each
> > >>> other and,
> > >>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement
> actually
> > strengthens
> > >>> our
> > >>> friendship.
> > >>> I say diversity is
> good,
> > competition is good, we
> > >>> need a free market
> > >>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the
> sincere
> > people there
> > >>> trying to make
> > >>> the lives of blind people better.
> I
> > happen to find
> > >>> the Federation
> > >>> philosophy and method more meaningful
> for
> > me. I want
> > >>> to understand
> > >>> the split. From the little bit of
> > studying I've done,
> > >>> I don't really
> > >>> think it was petty personal differences
> but
> > rather
> > >>> differing
> > >>> philosophies about methodology and
> leadership
> > that drove
> > >>> the two
> > >>> groups to separate. We can be
> different
> > without being
> > >>> petty. We can
> > >>> disagree without being bigots. When
> our
> > two
> > >>> organizations come down
> > >>> on opposite sides of important issues, as
> we
> > often do, we
> > >>> need not be
> > >>> arrogant or self-rightious because we
> think
> > we're
> > >>> right. The fact is,
> > >>> we disagree. And I think the
> > disagreements are too
> > >>> central to our
> > >>> respective organizations for us to ever
> become
> > one.
> > >>> But that doesn't
> > >>> mean we can't be friends, especially on
> a
> > personal level.
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Kirt
> > >>>
> > >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> Kirt,
> > >>>> You are bringing up some vary good
> > points...
> > >>> Understanding the history of
> > >>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part in
> the
> > history in
> > >>> the blind movement and
> > >>>> an important part in the history of
> two
> > organizations.
> > >>> Frankly in it is just
> > >>>> my oppinion both organizations bring
> value
> > and have
> > >>> and continue to make a
> > >>>> difference for blind people across
> America
> > on a daily
> > >>> bases. It is a shame
> > >>>> that this split happened and just
> maybe
> > the next
> > >>> generation of blind
> > >>>> individuals our generation or those
> who
> > are younger
> > >>> then can bring the two
> > >>>> organizations together once again.
> Now
> > this is just my
> > >>> translation and my
> > >>>> oppinion, but it seems to me
> that
> > the NFB ACB
> > >>> split happened over pitty
> > >>>> differences and two individuals with
> > different ideas
> > >>> fighting for power. It
> > >>>> seems to me that the hate the two
> > organizations have
> > >>> towards each other is
> > >>>> not as strong amongest this
> generation.
> > Infact many
> > >>> members of NABS of ACB
> > >>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in life
> and
> > attack on the
> > >>> other organization is
> > >>>> usually not allow on
> each
> > organization's mailing
> > >>> list.
> > >>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does not
> have
> > the same
> > >>> amount of people
> > >>>> attending its' convention, but their
> > attendence is not
> > >>> small eather. I would
> > >>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB convention
> and
> > all the major
> > >>> venders who attend
> > >>>> the NFB convention attend the ACB
> > convention. There
> > >>> are also quite a few
> > >>>> young people who attend the ACB
> > convention.
> > >>>> Yes ACB does its' business different
> then
> > NFB, but
> > >>> thats why they are a
> > >>>> different organization. However, this
> does
> > not make
> > >>> them any worse or better
> > >>>> then the NFB.
> > >>>> Just my thoughts and it would be
> great if
> > we keep the
> > >>> attacks on each
> > >>>> organization to as less as possible.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anmol
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I seldom think about my limitations,
> and
> > they never
> > >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> > >>>> there is just a touch of yearning at
> > times; but it is
> > >>> vague, like a breeze
> > >>>> among flowers.
> > >>>> Hellen Keller
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> > [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> > >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> > >>>>> into History, Race for
> Independence,
> > Wed. June 22,
> > >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> > >>>>> To: "National Association of
> Blind
> > Students
> > >>> mailing list"
> > >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
> 12:25
> > PM
> > >>>>> Dave,
> > >>>>> How long ago
> was
> > this? Things could've
> > >>> changed
> > >>>>> since you last went
> > >>>>> if it's been a while, maybe?
> > And, with respect,
> > >>> this
> > >>>>> is a big deal to
> > >>>>> a lot of us. I know for me
> it's
> > a lot more than
> > >>> a
> > >>>>> "small
> > >>>>> consideration", I like to know
> the
> > past as much as
> > >>> I can
> > >>>>> because it
> > >>>>> shaped the here and now. I
> can
> > read the books
> > >>> put out
> > >>>>> by each
> > >>>>> organization-they probably both
> have
> > lots of the
> > >>> truth
> > >>>>> intermingled
> > >>>>> with their respective agendas.
> > But nothing
> > >>> beats
> > >>>>> talking to people
> > >>>>> who have studied the issues or,
> > preferably, people
> > >>> who were
> > >>>>> actually
> > >>>>> there.
> > >>>>> All the best,
> > >>>>> Kirt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> The two biggest things I
> noticed
> > at an ACB
> > >>> national
> > >>>>> convention were
> > >>>>>> that the crowd was
> considerably
> > smaller than
> > >>> that at a
> > >>>>> NFB convention
> > >>>>>> -- less exhibits etc. too.
> > The second
> > >>> things was
> > >>>>> that there were few
> > >>>>>> young persons -- some but
> > noticeably not
> > >>> very
> > >>>>> many. One of the major
> > >>>>>> things that the ACB has
> pushed in
> > the past is
> > >>> that it
> > >>>>> is different
> > >>>>>> from the NFB, it does things
> > differently
> > >>> etc.
> > >>>>> This doesn't really
> > >>>>>> matter to younger people
> though,
> > so they have
> > >>> little
> > >>>>> reason to join, so
> > >>>>>> don't.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You guys can spend lots of
> time on
> > the
> > >>> history, and
> > >>>>> differences if
> > >>>>>> you want -- but what is the
> > point. It
> > >>> happened,
> > >>>>> it is over with and
> > >>>>>> done. Yes we can and
> should
> > learn from our
> > >>>>> history, but it is just
> > >>>>>> one small consideration.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Dave,
> > >>>>>>> I do see
> your
> > point. Those
> > >>>>> alive at the time are not, and
> will
> > >>>>>>> probabluy never be
> > friends. Heck,
> > >>> getting
> > >>>>> them to actually talk in
> > >>>>>>> peace would be the
> achievement
> > of the
> > >>>>> century! if such
> a
> > call were
> > >>>>>>> to hypothetically happen,
> how
> > could we
> > >>> keep it from
> > >>>>> opening old wounds
> > >>>>>>> and stoking old fires?
> > >>>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>>> Kirt
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> > <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Dave,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Our joint conference
> call
> > isn't
> > >>> associated
> > >>>>> whatsoever with the
> > >>>>>>>> proposition of a
> change in
> > the NFB
> > >>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting this
> > >>>>>>>> up, which it appears
> I am,
> > I didn't
> > >>> even have
> > >>>>> the intention of
> > >>>>>>>> mentioning that
> > proposition on the
> > >>>>> call. The call's purpose
> is
> > >>>>>>>> to learn the history
> of
> > the NFB/ACB,
> > >>> with a
> > >>>>> little emphasis on
> > >>>>>>>> the "civil war"
> period,
> > from both
> > >>> sides so we
> > >>>>> are informed. I
> > >>>>>>>> also want this call
> to
> > start a
> > >>> discussion on
> > >>>>> the history of our
> > >>>>>>>> movement and what we
> can
> > learn from
> > >>> it, not
> > >>>>> only as
> > >>>>>>>> Federationists, but
> as
> > blind
> > >>> students.
> > >>>>> Jorge and I have found
> > >>>>>>>> some ways that we can
> hold
> > the call
> > >>> without
> > >>>>> making it a NABS
> > >>>>>>>> membership call, if
> it is
> > entirely
> > >>>>> necessary. And as to your
> > >>>>>>>> comments about them
> not
> > being our
> > >>> friends,
> > >>>>> then using your
> > >>>>>>>> argument, the
> Republicans
> > should not
> > >>> hear the
> > >>>>> Democrats point of
> > >>>>>>>> view in meetings of
> > Congress, but
> > >>> the two
> > >>>>> parties should be
> > >>>>>>>> separated from each
> other
> > for fear
> > >>> of their
> > >>>>> own side being
> > >>>>>>>> attacked. We
> can
> > keep our same
> > >>>>> opinions, and probably many
> > >>>>>>>> Federationists and
> Council
> > members
> > >>> who attend
> > >>>>> this call will.
> > >>>>>>>> This is just a way
> that we
> > can be
> > >>> more
> > >>>>> informed when forming
> > >>>>>>>> these opinions.
> > >>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>> Chris
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> > loss of
> > >>> vision!"
> > >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> > >>>>>>>> To learn more about
> Camp
> > Abilities
> > >>> and find a
> > >>>>> local camp near
> > >>>>>>>> you, just click on
> this
> > link to
> > >>> their
> > >>>>> national Web site:
> > >>>>>>>>
> www.campabilities.org.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> > Foundation helps
> > >>> visually
> > >>>>> impaired youth in
> > >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
> ability
> > to
> > >>> confidently say
> > >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
> > >>>>>>>> on this link to learn
> more
> > and to
> > >>>>> contribute:
> > >>>>>>>>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent
> from
> > my BrailleNote
> > >>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>> -----
> > Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com
> > >>>>>>>> To: National
> Association
> > of Blind
> > >>> Students
> > >>>>> mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19
> Jun
> > 2011 20:39:01
> > >>> -0500
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> > >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> > >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> > >>>>>>>> interview,Ride into
> > History, Race
> > >>> for
> > >>>>> Independence, Wed. June
> > >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Chris:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I don't want to
> friend
> > anyone -- but
> > >>> I think
> > >>>>> this is a terrible
> > >>>>>>>> idea! Remember
> the
> > ACB split off
> > >>> from
> > >>>>> the NFB because they
> > >>>>>>>> thought
> > >>>>>>>> that we were all
> wrong,
> > did our
> > >>> business in
> > >>>>> the wrong way etc. I
> > >>>>>>>> am
> > >>>>>>>> not going to say that
> we
> > can't learn
> > >>> anything
> > >>>>> from the ACB, but
> > >>>>>>>> not a
> > >>>>>>>> history lesson.
> I
> > was at a ACb
> > >>> National
> > >>>>> Convention a few years
> > >>>>>>>> ago
> > >>>>>>>> -- and heard the NFB
> > attacked openly
> > >>> and
> > >>>>> indirectly. These folks
> > >>>>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>> not our
> friends. We
> > can work
> > >>> jointly at
> > >>>>> times, and should, and I
> > >>>>>>>> don't think we should
> be
> > against
> > >>> them, for
> > >>>>> the sake of it, as
> > >>>>>>>> some of
> > >>>>>>>> my old-timer friends
> are
> > -- but a
> > >>> joint
> > >>>>> conference call on
> > >>>>>>>> consideration of a
> change
> > to a NFB
> > >>> division
> > >>>>> bylaw is going to
> > >>>>>>>> far!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM
> 6/19/2011, you
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Kirt,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I have a friend in
> the
> > Council that
> > >>> I will
> > >>>>> see Monday night, so I
> > >>>>>>>> plan to give this
> idea to
> > him and
> > >>> ask if he
> > >>>>> knows someone in the
> > >>>>>>>> Council that would
> be
> > knowledgeable
> > >>> enough
> > >>>>> and willing to attend
> > >>>>>>>> this call on behalf
> of the
> > Council
> > >>> as an
> > >>>>> expert on their history.
> > >>>>>>>> Maybe it would be
> better
> > if someone
> > >>> like me
> > >>>>> moderated. Keep in
> > >>>>>>>> mind
> > >>>>>>>> that I did volunteer,
> but
> > I'm not
> > >>> degrading
> > >>>>> anyone else, I'm just
> > >>>>>>>> using myself as an
> example
> > here.
> > >>> I'm a
> > >>>>> member of the Federation,
> > >>>>>>>> but I'm not a
> hard-line
> > "NFB is
> > >>> good, ACB
> > >>>>> bad" person, so I
> > >>>>>>>> wouldn't
> > >>>>>>>> show any bias to NFB
> or
> > ACB. I
> > >>> also am
> > >>>>> not currently a
> > >>>>>>>> contributing
> > >>>>>>>> (due-paying) member
> of
> > NABS, so I'm
> > >>> not a
> > >>>>> leader in it of
> > >>>>>>>> course. That
> way, we
> > wouldn't have
> > >>> any
> > >>>>> bias.
> > >>>>>>>> I think it would be
> easy
> > to have it
> > >>> jointly
> > >>>>> attended even if it's
> > >>>>>>>> an
> > >>>>>>>> official NABS call.
> > If we have a
> > >>>>> representative of ACB on the
> > >>>>>>>> call,
> > >>>>>>>> we could probably
> easily
> > get other
> > >>> members of
> > >>>>> ACB on the call to
> > >>>>>>>> kind of back up or
> add to
> > that
> > >>> guest
> > >>>>> speaker's information.
> > >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Chris
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> > loss of
> > >>> vision!"
> > >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> > >>>>>>>> To learn more about
> Camp
> > Abilities
> > >>> and find a
> > >>>>> local camp near
> > >>>>>>>> you,
> > >>>>>>>> just click on this
> link to
> > their
> > >>> national Web
> > >>>>> site:
> > >>>>>>>>
> www.campabilities.org.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> > Foundation helps
> > >>> visually
> > >>>>> impaired youth in
> > >>>>>>>> Maryland
> > >>>>>>>> have the ability to
> > confidently say
> > >>> "I can!"
> > >>>>> How? Click on this
> > >>>>>>>> link
> > >>>>>>>> to learn more and to
> > contribute:
> > >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original
> Message
> > -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring
> > <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>> To: National
> Association
> > of Blind
> > >>> Students
> > >>>>> mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19
> Jun
> > 2011 00:45:08
> > >>> -0600
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> > >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> > >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> > >>>>>>>> interview,Ride into
> > History, Race
> > >>> for
> > >>>>> Independence, Wed. June
> > >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Carley,
> > >>>>>>>> The two
> > organizations don't
> > >>>>> really claim to be "friends" as
> > >>>>>>>> such-it
> > >>>>>>>> seems like now they
> just
> > mostly
> > >>> ignore each
> > >>>>> other, work jointly
> > >>>>>>>> when
> > >>>>>>>> their agendas
> converge and
> > play
> > >>> politics when
> > >>>>> they don't. Maybe
> > >>>>>>>> they
> > >>>>>>>> aren't enemies, but
> the
> > official
> > >>>>> organizations don't really
> > >>>>>>>> advertise
> > >>>>>>>> themselves as
> friends.
> > >>>>>>>> While
> it
> > would be great to
> > >>>>> have people from both
> organizations
> > >>>>>>>> participate in a
> joint
> > call, I don't
> > >>> see it
> > >>>>> happening. Here's
> > >>>>>>>> hoping
> > >>>>>>>> though, I guess
> It's
> > certainly a
> > >>> nice
> > >>>>> thought-although, if the
> > >>>>>>>> call
> > >>>>>>>> were to have
> presentations
> > from
> > >>> members of
> > >>>>> both organizations, it
> > >>>>>>>> probably should be
> jointly
> > moderated
> > >>> and
> > >>>>> attended. The NFB (or
> > >>>>>>>> probably even NABS)
> would,
> > I'm
> > >>> betting, not
> > >>>>> be inclined to go
> > >>>>>>>> there.
> > >>>>>>>> So maybe we'll have
> better
> > luck
> > >>> going through
> > >>>>> unnoficial channels
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> setting this up on
> our
> > own? No
> > >>> need to
> > >>>>> make it an official event
> > >>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>> either the Federation
> or
> > the
> > >>> Council-I think
> > >>>>> it's safe to say
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> idea was doomed to
> fail
> > before it
> > >>> was brought
> > >>>>> up.
> > >>>>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>>>> Kirt
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> > <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> And, as I said
> before, I
> > would be
> > >>> very
> > >>>>> willing to moderate this
> > >>>>>>>> call. Please
> keep me
> > posted!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Chris
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> > loss of
> > >>> vision!"
> > >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> > >>>>>>>> To learn more about
> Camp
> > Abilities
> > >>> and find a
> > >>>>> local camp near
> > >>>>>>>> you, just click on
> this
> > link to
> > >>> their
> > >>>>> national Web site:
> > >>>>>>>>
> www.campabilities.org.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> > Foundation helps
> > >>> visually
> > >>>>> impaired youth in
> > >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
> ability
> > to
> > >>> confidently say
> > >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
> > >>>>>>>> on this link to learn
> more
> > and to
> > >>>>> contribute:
> > >>>>>>>>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent
> from my
> > BrailleNote
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -----
> > Original Message
> > >>>>> -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra
> <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>> To: National
> Association
> > of Blind
> > >>> Students
> > >>>>> mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 18
> Jun
> > 2011 18:51:04
> > >>> -0400
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> > >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> > >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> > >>>>>>>> interview,Ride into
> > History, Race
> > >>> for
> > >>>>> Independence, Wed. June
> > >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This call would be
> very
> > interesting
> > >>>>> indeed. If representatives
> > >>>>>>>> from both
> organizations
> > are willing
> > >>> to
> > >>>>> participate, it can really
> > >>>>>>>> be productive in
> many
> > ways.
> > >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at
> 1:46
> > PM, Carly
> > >>> Mihalakis
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Good
> morning,
> > list,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> A few
> days
> > ago, someone on
> > >>>>> the NABS list suggested a
> > >>>>>>>> conference
> > >>>>>>>> call bringing clarity
> to a
> > younger
> > >>>>> generation. What, exactly,
> is
> > >>>>>>>> the history of the
> > ideological
> > >>> parting of
> > >>>>> ways, between the
> > >>>>>>>> Federation and the
> > Council? Does
> > >>> anybody know
> > >>>>> today, the history
> > >>>>>>>> of this division or
> is it
> > a product
> > >>> of sheer
> > >>>>> habit as is the case
> > >>>>>>>> with Republicans and
> > Democrats? If
> > >>> such a
> > >>>>> meeting of both
> > >>>>>>>> entities were to
> take
> > place, There
> > >>> ought to
> > >>>>> be representation of
> > >>>>>>>> both organizations
> > so that a
> > >>> wholistic
> > >>>>> portrait of this issue
> > >>>>>>>> can be exercised.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> and its
> split
> > from the
> > >>>>> ACB. This seems like a
> > productive and
> > >>>>>>>> enlightening
> discussion
> > but I
> > >>> wonder, if the
> > >>>>> Federation and the
> > >>>>>>>> council claim to be
> > friends, should
> > >>> there not
> > >>>>> be representation
> > >>>>>>>> from
> > both sides, identifying
> > >>>>> their position and whereabouts
> > >>>>>>>> they stand, in this?
> At
> > >>>>>>>> ----
> Original
> > Message
> > >>>>> ------
> > >>>>>>>> From:
> "Joe
> > Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> > >>>>> (by way of David
> > >>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> > >>>>>>>>
> Subject:
> > >>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our
> Eyes
> > interview,
> > >>> Ride
> > >>>>>>>> into History,Race
> for
> > >>> Independence,
> > >>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> > >>>>>>>> Date
> sent:
> > Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> > >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Save
> The
> > Date:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On
> Wednesday,
> > June 22,at
> > >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes
> host,
> > >>>>>>>> Joe
> > >>>>>>>> Ruffalo
> will
> > interview
> > >>>>> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> > Imagination
> > >>>>>>>> Fund,
> > >>>>>>>> Race
> for
> > Independence.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The
> interview
> > will highlight
> > >>>>> current and past grants awarded
> to
> > >>>>>>>> state
> > >>>>>>>>
> affiliates
> > and chapters.
> > >>>>>>>> In
> addition,
> > featured will
> > >>>>> be Imaginators who will share
> the
> > >>>>>>>> methods
> > >>>>>>>> to make
> the
> > ask to make a
> > >>>>> difference in changing what it
> means
> > >>>>>>>> to be blind.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Special
> > highlight of the
> > >>>>> interview will be the
> announcement of
> > >>>>>>>> the 30
> > >>>>>>>> winners
> who
> > will have the
> > >>>>> opportunity to be driven by a
> blind
> > >>>>>>>> driver
> > >>>>>>>> while
> > attending
> > >>>>>>>> the
> national
> > convention in
> > >>>>> Orlando.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Witness
> the
> > opportunity to
> > >>>>> ride into history!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> To watch
> and
> > listen to the
> > >>>>> interview, please visit the
> > >>>>>>>> following:
> > >>>>>>>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> For
> JAWS
> > users and mobile
> > >>>>> phone users, please visit the
> > >>>>>>>> following:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > m.thruoureyes.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Other
> options
> > to watch or
> > >>>>> listen can be found on the sites
> > >>>>>>>> listed above.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> To call
> in
> > with comments or
> > >>>>> questions, please dial the
> > >>>>>>>> following:
> > >>>>>>>> 1 888
> 572
> > 0141
> > >>>>>>>> Join us
> to
> > Make a
> > >>>>> Difference!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
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