[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 22 17:48:57 UTC 2011
I was able to read your message just fine.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 12:04 PM
> Man...that'll teach me to
> double-check what I'm writing before I send
> it. Sorry folks, that was almost not legible.
>
> On 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Anmol,
> > It's a nice thought. Maybe
> it'll be possible, some day. Never say
> > never, ri9ght?
> > But here's the thing. The two
> organizations have evolved two
> > separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm doing
> something really bad
> > and generalizing. If anyone who knows more than
> I do wants to correct
> > me here, feel free.
> > The stance the ACB seems to take more
> often than not is to make the
> > environment more accessible for us. This is
> evidenced by their
> > support for audible street signals (which make a lot
> of sense to me,
> > I'm not really convinced one way or the other on that
> one yet),
> > tactile currency, descriptive movies, the provisions
> in the ADA to
> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st century communications
> act, their
> > support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal design in
> technology, etc.
> > They also use lots of their resources to fight
> descrimination, at
> > least it seems that way to me.
> > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
> more often than not advocate us
> > adapting to the environment. This is evidenced
> by the strict
> > standards of training centers, pushing braille,
> opposition to the
> > tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on traffic
> rather than
> > audible signals (which makes a lot of sense to me),
> our philosophy
> > that with the right training and opportunity we can
> compete on an
> > equal footing, the idea of the blind driver challenge,
> etc. Of course
> > the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in the
> environment (technology
> > bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and the ADA
> which we also
> > supported), and the ACB does advocate for quality
> independence
> > training/O&M. But, those are the rough
> philosophies of the two
> > organizations, if we're going by their records.
> Is the ACB wrong?
> > No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of a fit
> with my vision of
> > blindness. I just think thee two separate
> methodoligies willkeep us
> > from ever uniting as one group...and that's ok.
> We all have the
> > right, even the obligation to advocate for ourselves
> and those we
> > represent. The ACB does it their way, we do it
> ours. Sometimes there
> > is overlap, lots of times our philosophies take us in
> different
> > directions and put us on opposite sides of important
> issues. When our
> > aims are the same (or similar), we need to work
> together and present a
> > united front. When we are at odds (which we
> often are, the two
> > organizations really are very different), we both have
> the right to
> > push our separate agendas and attempt to get our
> policies implimented.
> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> politics. We don't have
> > to be bitter about it and, on the personal level, we
> can still be good
> > friends even when our politics are at odds.
> > Just my thoughts,
> > Kirt
> >
> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> Kirt,
> >> You bring some vary valid points, and yes we have
> beaten the
> >> democrats/republicans analogy to death but
> it keeps coming up as a
> >> comparison, so I will just say one thing about
> this. I may have already
> >> said
> >> this before on the list, but please furgive me if
> I have. The blind
> >> community is a to small of a community to be
> divided on partizen lines
> >> like
> >> democrats and republicans, and our challenges are
> to great to be divided
> >> like democrats and republicans. Sure there will be
> differences between
> >> members of the ACB and members of the NFB on how
> business should be
> >> conducted, but honestly there differences between
> members of each
> >> organization on how their organization should do
> business.
> >> True there were disagreement on how business
> should and leadership issues
> >> causing the split between the NFB and ACB, I
> consider the leadership
> >> issues
> >> to be pitty differences. Often when one candidate
> loses, they and their
> >> supporters go and form their on organization or
> chapter. This happened at
> >> my
> >> local NFB chapter and as a result we have two NFB
> chapters in a small
> >> town.
> >> Now some may consider this to be a good thing, but
> think about how much
> >> more
> >> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter in
> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> >> fund raising and my volunteers for events. In
> addition, these types of
> >> childish arguements causes many blind people who
> otherwise may be
> >> involved
> >> in a blind organization to be a "fense sitters".
> Now using this analogy
> >> to
> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds that NFB
> has, but they are not
> >> poor eather. Their attendence is not as large at
> the conventions, but it
> >> is
> >> not small eather. Think if both of these
> organizations were together how
> >> much more money we would have to do policy
> that each organization does
> >> or
> >> the advocacy work that each organization
> does, and think about how much
> >> larger the convention would be. We would pack two
> hotels full or near
> >> full.
> >> In addition, think about how much venders would be
> giving out in prizes
> >> because now insteading having to spend money to
> send their workers to two
> >> convention, they will only have to send their
> workers to one convention.
> >> In
> >> addition, most venders give out big prizes at each
> convention and if
> >> there
> >> was only one convention, they can give two
> prizes.
> >> However, you are right in that realistically the
> two organizations will
> >> not
> >> merge any time soon.
> >>
> >> best wishes,
> >> Anmol
> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
> is vague, like a
> >> breeze
> >> among flowers.
> >> Hellen Keller
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >>> Ride
> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51 PM
> >>> Anmol,
> >>> I don't really see a merger happening any
> time soon,
> >>> nor would I
> >>> want it to. We've all beaten the
> democrat/republican
> >>> analogy to
> >>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and Mitt
> Romney in the
> >>> same political
> >>> party. It just wouldn't work. There are
> huge
> >>> differences. It
> >>> doesn't make the NFB better for everyone, but
> it makes the
> >>> NFB better
> >>> for me. I have lots of respect for my
> friends in the
> >>> ACB who stand up
> >>> and fight for their agenda. Lots of the
> times, it's
> >>> the same as mine.
> >>> When it's not, we can talk without being
> jackasses to each
> >>> other and,
> >>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement actually
> strengthens
> >>> our
> >>> friendship.
> >>> I say diversity is good, competition is
> good, we
> >>> need a free market
> >>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the sincere
> people there
> >>> trying to make
> >>> the lives of blind people better. I happen
> to find
> >>> the Federation
> >>> philosophy and method more meaningful for
> me. I want
> >>> to understand
> >>> the split. From the little bit of studying
> I've done,
> >>> I don't really
> >>> think it was petty personal differences but
> rather
> >>> differing
> >>> philosophies about methodology and leadership
> that drove
> >>> the two
> >>> groups to separate. We can be different
> without being
> >>> petty. We can
> >>> disagree without being bigots. When our two
> >>> organizations come down
> >>> on opposite sides of important issues, as we
> often do, we
> >>> need not be
> >>> arrogant or self-rightious because we think
> we're
> >>> right. The fact is,
> >>> we disagree. And I think the disagreements
> are too
> >>> central to our
> >>> respective organizations for us to ever become
> one.
> >>> But that doesn't
> >>> mean we can't be friends, especially on a
> personal level.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Kirt
> >>>
> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Kirt,
> >>> > You are bringing up some vary good
> points...
> >>> Understanding the history of
> >>> > the NFB and ACB is an import part in the
> history in
> >>> the blind movement and
> >>> > an important part in the history of two
> organizations.
> >>> Frankly in it is just
> >>> > my oppinion both organizations bring
> value and have
> >>> and continue to make a
> >>> > difference for blind people across
> America on a daily
> >>> bases. It is a shame
> >>> > that this split happened and just maybe
> the next
> >>> generation of blind
> >>> > individuals our generation or those who
> are younger
> >>> then can bring the two
> >>> > organizations together once again. Now
> this is just my
> >>> translation and my
> >>> > oppinion, but it seems to me that the
> NFB ACB
> >>> split happened over pitty
> >>> > differences and two individuals with
> different ideas
> >>> fighting for power. It
> >>> > seems to me that the hate the two
> organizations have
> >>> towards each other is
> >>> > not as strong amongest this generation.
> Infact many
> >>> members of NABS of ACB
> >>> > and NABS of NFB are friends in life and
> attack on the
> >>> other organization is
> >>> > usually not allow on each
> organization's mailing
> >>> list.
> >>> > Dave, you are right that ACB does not
> have the same
> >>> amount of people
> >>> > attending its' convention, but their
> attendence is not
> >>> small eather. I would
> >>> > guess 1500 attend the ACB convention and
> all the major
> >>> venders who attend
> >>> > the NFB convention attend the ACB
> convention. There
> >>> are also quite a few
> >>> > young people who attend the ACB
> convention.
> >>> > Yes ACB does its' business different then
> NFB, but
> >>> thats why they are a
> >>> > different organization. However, this
> does not make
> >>> them any worse or better
> >>> > then the NFB.
> >>> > Just my thoughts and it would be great if
> we keep the
> >>> attacks on each
> >>> > organization to as less as possible.
> >>> >
> >>> > Anmol
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and
> they never
> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it is
> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >>> > among flowers.
> >>> > Hellen Keller
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >>> >> into History, Race for Independence,
> Wed. June 22,
> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> >>> mailing list"
> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 12:25
> PM
> >>> >> Dave,
> >>> >> How long ago was this? Things
> could've
> >>> changed
> >>> >> since you last went
> >>> >> if it's been a while, maybe? And,
> with respect,
> >>> this
> >>> >> is a big deal to
> >>> >> a lot of us. I know for me it's a
> lot more than
> >>> a
> >>> >> "small
> >>> >> consideration", I like to know the
> past as much as
> >>> I can
> >>> >> because it
> >>> >> shaped the here and now. I can read
> the books
> >>> put out
> >>> >> by each
> >>> >> organization-they probably both have
> lots of the
> >>> truth
> >>> >> intermingled
> >>> >> with their respective agendas. But
> nothing
> >>> beats
> >>> >> talking to people
> >>> >> who have studied the issues or,
> preferably, people
> >>> who were
> >>> >> actually
> >>> >> there.
> >>> >> All the best,
> >>> >> Kirt
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > The two biggest things I noticed
> at an ACB
> >>> national
> >>> >> convention were
> >>> >> > that the crowd was considerably
> smaller than
> >>> that at a
> >>> >> NFB convention
> >>> >> > -- less exhibits etc. too. The
> second
> >>> things was
> >>> >> that there were few
> >>> >> > young persons -- some but
> noticeably not
> >>> very
> >>> >> many. One of the major
> >>> >> > things that the ACB has pushed
> in the past is
> >>> that it
> >>> >> is different
> >>> >> > from the NFB, it does things
> differently
> >>> etc.
> >>> >> This doesn't really
> >>> >> > matter to younger people though,
> so they have
> >>> little
> >>> >> reason to join, so
> >>> >> > don't.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > You guys can spend lots of time
> on the
> >>> history, and
> >>> >> differences if
> >>> >> > you want -- but what is the
> point. It
> >>> happened,
> >>> >> it is over with and
> >>> >> > done. Yes we can and should
> learn from our
> >>> >> history, but it is just
> >>> >> > one small consideration.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Dave
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you
> wrote:
> >>> >> >>Dave,
> >>> >> >> I do see your point.
> Those
> >>> >> alive at the time are not, and will
> >>> >> >>probabluy never be friends.
> Heck,
> >>> getting
> >>> >> them to actually talk in
> >>> >> >>peace would be the
> achievement of the
> >>> >> century! if such a call were
> >>> >> >>to hypothetically happen, how
> could we
> >>> keep it from
> >>> >> opening old wounds
> >>> >> >>and stoking old fires?
> >>> >> >> Best,
> >>> >> >>Kirt
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> > Dave,
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Our joint conference
> call isn't
> >>> associated
> >>> >> whatsoever with the
> >>> >> >> > proposition of a change
> in the NFB
> >>> >> bylaw. If I'm setting this
> >>> >> >> > up, which it appears I
> am, I didn't
> >>> even have
> >>> >> the intention of
> >>> >> >> > mentioning that
> proposition on the
> >>> >> call. The call's purpose is
> >>> >> >> > to learn the history of
> the NFB/ACB,
> >>> with a
> >>> >> little emphasis on
> >>> >> >> > the "civil war" period,
> from both
> >>> sides so we
> >>> >> are informed. I
> >>> >> >> > also want this call to
> start a
> >>> discussion on
> >>> >> the history of our
> >>> >> >> > movement and what we
> can learn from
> >>> it, not
> >>> >> only as
> >>> >> >> > Federationists, but as
> blind
> >>> students.
> >>> >> Jorge and I have found
> >>> >> >> > some ways that we can
> hold the call
> >>> without
> >>> >> making it a NABS
> >>> >> >> > membership call, if it
> is entirely
> >>> >> necessary. And as to your
> >>> >> >> > comments about them not
> being our
> >>> friends,
> >>> >> then using your
> >>> >> >> > argument, the
> Republicans should not
> >>> hear the
> >>> >> Democrats point of
> >>> >> >> > view in meetings of
> Congress, but
> >>> the two
> >>> >> parties should be
> >>> >> >> > separated from each
> other for fear
> >>> of their
> >>> >> own side being
> >>> >> >> > attacked. We can keep
> our same
> >>> >> opinions, and probably many
> >>> >> >> > Federationists and
> Council members
> >>> who attend
> >>> >> this call will.
> >>> >> >> > This is just a way that
> we can be
> >>> more
> >>> >> informed when forming
> >>> >> >> > these opinions.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Chris
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > "A loss of sight, never
> a loss of
> >>> vision!"
> >>> >> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>> >> >> > To learn more about
> Camp Abilities
> >>> and find a
> >>> >> local camp near
> >>> >> >> > you, just click on this
> link to
> >>> their
> >>> >> national Web site:
> >>> >> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> >>> visually
> >>> >> impaired youth in
> >>> >> >> > Maryland have the
> ability to
> >>> confidently say
> >>> >> "I can!" How? Click
> >>> >> >> > on this link to learn
> more and to
> >>> >> contribute:
> >>> >> >> >
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > ----- Original
> Message -----
> >>> >> >> > From: David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com
> >>> >> >> > To: National
> Association of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>> >> mailing list
> >>> >> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun
> 2011 20:39:01
> >>> -0500
> >>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes
> >>> >> >> > interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >>> for
> >>> >> Independence, Wed. June
> >>> >> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Chris:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > I don't want to friend
> anyone -- but
> >>> I think
> >>> >> this is a terrible
> >>> >> >> > idea! Remember the
> ACB split off
> >>> from
> >>> >> the NFB because they
> >>> >> >> > thought
> >>> >> >> > that we were all wrong,
> did our
> >>> business in
> >>> >> the wrong way etc. I
> >>> >> >> > am
> >>> >> >> > not going to say that
> we can't learn
> >>> anything
> >>> >> from the ACB, but
> >>> >> >> > not a
> >>> >> >> > history lesson. I was
> at a ACb
> >>> National
> >>> >> Convention a few years
> >>> >> >> > ago
> >>> >> >> > -- and heard the NFB
> attacked openly
> >>> and
> >>> >> indirectly. These folks
> >>> >> >> > are
> >>> >> >> > not our friends. We
> can work
> >>> jointly at
> >>> >> times, and should, and I
> >>> >> >> > don't think we should
> be against
> >>> them, for
> >>> >> the sake of it, as
> >>> >> >> > some of
> >>> >> >> > my old-timer friends
> are -- but a
> >>> joint
> >>> >> conference call on
> >>> >> >> > consideration of a
> change to a NFB
> >>> division
> >>> >> bylaw is going to
> >>> >> >> > far!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Dave
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011,
> you wrote:
> >>> >> >> > Kirt,
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > I have a friend in the
> Council that
> >>> I will
> >>> >> see Monday night, so I
> >>> >> >> > plan to give this idea
> to him and
> >>> ask if he
> >>> >> knows someone in the
> >>> >> >> > Council that would be
> knowledgeable
> >>> enough
> >>> >> and willing to attend
> >>> >> >> > this call on behalf of
> the Council
> >>> as an
> >>> >> expert on their history.
> >>> >> >> > Maybe it would be
> better if someone
> >>> like me
> >>> >> moderated. Keep in
> >>> >> >> > mind
> >>> >> >> > that I did volunteer,
> but I'm not
> >>> degrading
> >>> >> anyone else, I'm just
> >>> >> >> > using myself as an
> example here.
> >>> I'm a
> >>> >> member of the Federation,
> >>> >> >> > but I'm not a hard-line
> "NFB is
> >>> good, ACB
> >>> >> bad" person, so I
> >>> >> >> > wouldn't
> >>> >> >> > show any bias to NFB or
> ACB. I
> >>> also am
> >>> >> not currently a
> >>> >> >> > contributing
> >>> >> >> > (due-paying) member of
> NABS, so I'm
> >>> not a
> >>> >> leader in it of
> >>> >> >> > course. That way, we
> wouldn't have
> >>> any
> >>> >> bias.
> >>> >> >> > I think it would be
> easy to have it
> >>> jointly
> >>> >> attended even if it's
> >>> >> >> > an
> >>> >> >> > official NABS call.
> If we have a
> >>> >> representative of ACB on the
> >>> >> >> > call,
> >>> >> >> > we could probably
> easily get other
> >>> members of
> >>> >> ACB on the call to
> >>> >> >> > kind of back up or add
> to that
> >>> guest
> >>> >> speaker's information.
> >>> >> >> > Thoughts?
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Chris
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > "A loss of sight, never
> a loss of
> >>> vision!"
> >>> >> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>> >> >> > To learn more about
> Camp Abilities
> >>> and find a
> >>> >> local camp near
> >>> >> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > just click on this link
> to their
> >>> national Web
> >>> >> site:
> >>> >> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> >>> visually
> >>> >> impaired youth in
> >>> >> >> > Maryland
> >>> >> >> > have the ability to
> confidently say
> >>> "I can!"
> >>> >> How? Click on this
> >>> >> >> > link
> >>> >> >> > to learn more and to
> contribute:
> >>> >> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > ----- Original Message
> -----
> >>> >> >> > From: Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >>> >> >> > To: National
> Association of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>> >> mailing list
> >>> >> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun
> 2011 00:45:08
> >>> -0600
> >>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes
> >>> >> >> > interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >>> for
> >>> >> Independence, Wed. June
> >>> >> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Carley,
> >>> >> >> > The two
> organizations don't
> >>> >> really claim to be "friends" as
> >>> >> >> > such-it
> >>> >> >> > seems like now they
> just mostly
> >>> ignore each
> >>> >> other, work jointly
> >>> >> >> > when
> >>> >> >> > their agendas converge
> and play
> >>> politics when
> >>> >> they don't. Maybe
> >>> >> >> > they
> >>> >> >> > aren't enemies, but the
> official
> >>> >> organizations don't really
> >>> >> >> > advertise
> >>> >> >> > themselves as friends.
> >>> >> >> > While it would be
> great to
> >>> >> have people from both organizations
> >>> >> >> > participate in a joint
> call, I don't
> >>> see it
> >>> >> happening. Here's
> >>> >> >> > hoping
> >>> >> >> > though, I guess It's
> certainly a
> >>> nice
> >>> >> thought-although, if the
> >>> >> >> > call
> >>> >> >> > were to have
> presentations from
> >>> members of
> >>> >> both organizations, it
> >>> >> >> > probably should be
> jointly moderated
> >>> and
> >>> >> attended. The NFB (or
> >>> >> >> > probably even NABS)
> would, I'm
> >>> betting, not
> >>> >> be inclined to go
> >>> >> >> > there.
> >>> >> >> > So maybe we'll have
> better luck
> >>> going through
> >>> >> unnoficial channels
> >>> >> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > setting this up on our
> own? No
> >>> need to
> >>> >> make it an official event
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > either the Federation
> or the
> >>> Council-I think
> >>> >> it's safe to say
> >>> >> >> > that
> >>> >> >> > idea was doomed to fail
> before it
> >>> was brought
> >>> >> up.
> >>> >> >> > Best,
> >>> >> >> > Kirt
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > On 6/18/11, Chris
> Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> > And, as I said before,
> I would be
> >>> very
> >>> >> willing to moderate this
> >>> >> >> > call. Please keep me
> posted!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Chris
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > "A loss of sight, never
> a loss of
> >>> vision!"
> >>> >> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>> >> >> > To learn more about
> Camp Abilities
> >>> and find a
> >>> >> local camp near
> >>> >> >> > you, just click on this
> link to
> >>> their
> >>> >> national Web site:
> >>> >> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> >>> visually
> >>> >> impaired youth in
> >>> >> >> > Maryland have the
> ability to
> >>> confidently say
> >>> >> "I can!" How? Click
> >>> >> >> > on this link to learn
> more and to
> >>> >> contribute:
> >>> >> >> >
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > ----- Original
> Message
> >>> >> -----
> >>> >> >> > From: Ignasi Cambra
> <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >>> >> >> > To: National
> Association of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>> >> mailing list
> >>> >> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> >> > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun
> 2011 18:51:04
> >>> -0400
> >>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes
> >>> >> >> > interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >>> for
> >>> >> Independence, Wed. June
> >>> >> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > This call would be very
> interesting
> >>> >> indeed. If representatives
> >>> >> >> > from both organizations
> are willing
> >>> to
> >>> >> participate, it can really
> >>> >> >> > be productive in many
> ways.
> >>> >> >> > On Jun 18, 2011, at
> 1:46 PM, Carly
> >>> Mihalakis
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Good morning,
> list,
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > A few days ago,
> someone on
> >>> >> the NABS list suggested a
> >>> >> >> > conference
> >>> >> >> > call bringing clarity
> to a younger
> >>> >> generation. What, exactly, is
> >>> >> >> > the history of the
> ideological
> >>> parting of
> >>> >> ways, between the
> >>> >> >> > Federation and the
> Council? Does
> >>> anybody know
> >>> >> today, the history
> >>> >> >> > of this division or is
> it a product
> >>> of sheer
> >>> >> habit as is the case
> >>> >> >> > with Republicans and
> Democrats? If
> >>> such a
> >>> >> meeting of both
> >>> >> >> > entities were to take
> place, There
> >>> ought to
> >>> >> be representation of
> >>> >> >> > both organizations so
> that a
> >>> wholistic
> >>> >> portrait of this issue
> >>> >> >> > can be exercised.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > and its split from
> the
> >>> >> ACB. This seems like a productive
> and
> >>> >> >> > enlightening discussion
> but I
> >>> wonder, if the
> >>> >> Federation and the
> >>> >> >> > council claim to be
> friends, should
> >>> there not
> >>> >> be representation
> >>> >> >> > from both sides,
> identifying
> >>> >> their position and whereabouts
> >>> >> >> > they stand, in this?
> At
> >>> >> >> > ---- Original
> Message
> >>> >> ------
> >>> >> >> > From: "Joe
> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> >>> >> (by way of David
> >>> >> >> > Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >>> >> >> > Subject:
> >>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes
> interview,
> >>> Ride
> >>> >> >> > into History,Race for
> >>> Independence,
> >>> >> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >> >> > Date sent: Fri, 17
> Jun 2011
> >>> >> 19:26:45 -0500
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Save The Date:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > On Wednesday, June
> 22,at
> >>> >> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
> >>> >> >> > Joe
> >>> >> >> > Ruffalo will
> interview
> >>> >> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> Imagination
> >>> >> >> > Fund,
> >>> >> >> > Race for
> Independence.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > The interview will
> highlight
> >>> >> current and past grants awarded to
> >>> >> >> > state
> >>> >> >> > affiliates and
> chapters.
> >>> >> >> > In addition,
> featured will
> >>> >> be Imaginators who will share the
> >>> >> >> > methods
> >>> >> >> > to make the ask to
> make a
> >>> >> difference in changing what it means
> >>> >> >> > to be blind.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Special highlight
> of the
> >>> >> interview will be the announcement
> of
> >>> >> >> > the 30
> >>> >> >> > winners who will
> have the
> >>> >> opportunity to be driven by a blind
> >>> >> >> > driver
> >>> >> >> > while attending
> >>> >> >> > the national
> convention in
> >>> >> Orlando.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Witness the
> opportunity to
> >>> >> ride into history!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > To watch and
> listen to the
> >>> >> interview, please visit the
> >>> >> >> > following:
> >>> >> >> > <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > For JAWS users and
> mobile
> >>> >> phone users, please visit the
> >>> >> >> > following:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > m.thruoureyes.org
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Other options to
> watch or
> >>> >> listen can be found on the sites
> >>> >> >> > listed above.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > To call in with
> comments or
> >>> >> questions, please dial the
> >>> >> >> > following:
> >>> >> >> > 1 888 572 0141
> >>> >> >> > Join us to Make a
> >>> >> Difference!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>>
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