[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Kirt Manwaring
kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Wed Jun 22 18:09:00 UTC 2011
Jessica,
I hear you. That's why I don't think the NFB is categorically
opposed to audible signals.
On 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> There are certain types of intersections where no matter how long you stand
> there and listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle so in those
> cases I actually support aps. Just keep that in mind when someone talks
> about every intersection being crossable by listening to traffic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anmol,
>> It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll be possible, some day. Never say
>> never, ri9ght?
>> But here's the thing. The two organizations have evolved two
>> separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm doing something really bad
>> and generalizing. If anyone who knows more than I do wants to correct
>> me here, feel free.
>> The stance the ACB seems to take more often than not is to make the
>> environment more accessible for us. This is evidenced by their
>> support for audible street signals (which make a lot of sense to me,
>> I'm not really convinced one way or the other on that one yet),
>> tactile currency, descriptive movies, the provisions in the ADA to
>> make ATMs accessible, the 21st century communications act, their
>> support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal design in technology, etc.
>> They also use lots of their resources to fight descrimination, at
>> least it seems that way to me.
>> The NFB, on the other hand, seems to more often than not advocate us
>> adapting to the environment. This is evidenced by the strict
>> standards of training centers, pushing braille, opposition to the
>> tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on traffic rather than
>> audible signals (which makes a lot of sense to me), our philosophy
>> that with the right training and opportunity we can compete on an
>> equal footing, the idea of the blind driver challenge, etc. Of course
>> the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in the environment (technology
>> bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and the ADA which we also
>> supported), and the ACB does advocate for quality independence
>> training/O&M. But, those are the rough philosophies of the two
>> organizations, if we're going by their records. Is the ACB wrong?
>> No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of a fit with my vision of
>> blindness. I just think thee two separate methodoligies willkeep us
>> from ever uniting as one group...and that's ok. We all have the
>> right, even the obligation to advocate for ourselves and those we
>> represent. The ACB does it their way, we do it ours. Sometimes there
>> is overlap, lots of times our philosophies take us in different
>> directions and put us on opposite sides of important issues. When our
>> aims are the same (or similar), we need to work together and present a
>> united front. When we are at odds (which we often are, the two
>> organizations really are very different), we both have the right to
>> push our separate agendas and attempt to get our policies implimented.
>> Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's politics. We don't have
>> to be bitter about it and, on the personal level, we can still be good
>> friends even when our politics are at odds.
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Kirt,
>>> You bring some vary valid points, and yes we have beaten the
>>> democrats/republicans analogy to death but it keeps coming up as a
>>> comparison, so I will just say one thing about this. I may have already
>>> said
>>> this before on the list, but please furgive me if I have. The blind
>>> community is a to small of a community to be divided on partizen lines
>>> like
>>> democrats and republicans, and our challenges are to great to be divided
>>> like democrats and republicans. Sure there will be differences between
>>> members of the ACB and members of the NFB on how business should be
>>> conducted, but honestly there differences between members of each
>>> organization on how their organization should do business.
>>> True there were disagreement on how business should and leadership issues
>>> causing the split between the NFB and ACB, I consider the leadership
>>> issues
>>> to be pitty differences. Often when one candidate loses, they and their
>>> supporters go and form their on organization or chapter. This happened at
>>> my
>>> local NFB chapter and as a result we have two NFB chapters in a small
>>> town.
>>> Now some may consider this to be a good thing, but think about how much
>>> more
>>> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter in Fayetteville in recruiting,
>>> fund raising and my volunteers for events. In addition, these types of
>>> childish arguements causes many blind people who otherwise may be
>>> involved
>>> in a blind organization to be a "fense sitters". Now using this analogy
>>> to
>>> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds that NFB has, but they are not
>>> poor eather. Their attendence is not as large at the conventions, but it
>>> is
>>> not small eather. Think if both of these organizations were together how
>>> much more money we would have to do policy that each organization does or
>>> the advocacy work that each organization does, and think about how much
>>> larger the convention would be. We would pack two hotels full or near
>>> full.
>>> In addition, think about how much venders would be giving out in prizes
>>> because now insteading having to spend money to send their workers to two
>>> convention, they will only have to send their workers to one convention.
>>> In
>>> addition, most venders give out big prizes at each convention and if
>>> there
>>> was only one convention, they can give two prizes.
>>> However, you are right in that realistically the two organizations will
>>> not
>>> merge any time soon.
>>>
>>> best wishes,
>>> Anmol
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
>>>> Ride
>>>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51 PM
>>>> Anmol,
>>>> I don't really see a merger happening any time soon,
>>>> nor would I
>>>> want it to. We've all beaten the democrat/republican
>>>> analogy to
>>>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in the
>>>> same political
>>>> party. It just wouldn't work. There are huge
>>>> differences. It
>>>> doesn't make the NFB better for everyone, but it makes the
>>>> NFB better
>>>> for me. I have lots of respect for my friends in the
>>>> ACB who stand up
>>>> and fight for their agenda. Lots of the times, it's
>>>> the same as mine.
>>>> When it's not, we can talk without being jackasses to each
>>>> other and,
>>>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement actually strengthens
>>>> our
>>>> friendship.
>>>> I say diversity is good, competition is good, we
>>>> need a free market
>>>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the sincere people there
>>>> trying to make
>>>> the lives of blind people better. I happen to find
>>>> the Federation
>>>> philosophy and method more meaningful for me. I want
>>>> to understand
>>>> the split. From the little bit of studying I've done,
>>>> I don't really
>>>> think it was petty personal differences but rather
>>>> differing
>>>> philosophies about methodology and leadership that drove
>>>> the two
>>>> groups to separate. We can be different without being
>>>> petty. We can
>>>> disagree without being bigots. When our two
>>>> organizations come down
>>>> on opposite sides of important issues, as we often do, we
>>>> need not be
>>>> arrogant or self-rightious because we think we're
>>>> right. The fact is,
>>>> we disagree. And I think the disagreements are too
>>>> central to our
>>>> respective organizations for us to ever become one.
>>>> But that doesn't
>>>> mean we can't be friends, especially on a personal level.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>> You are bringing up some vary good points...
>>>> Understanding the history of
>>>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part in the history in
>>>> the blind movement and
>>>>> an important part in the history of two organizations.
>>>> Frankly in it is just
>>>>> my oppinion both organizations bring value and have
>>>> and continue to make a
>>>>> difference for blind people across America on a daily
>>>> bases. It is a shame
>>>>> that this split happened and just maybe the next
>>>> generation of blind
>>>>> individuals our generation or those who are younger
>>>> then can bring the two
>>>>> organizations together once again. Now this is just my
>>>> translation and my
>>>>> oppinion, but it seems to me that the NFB ACB
>>>> split happened over pitty
>>>>> differences and two individuals with different ideas
>>>> fighting for power. It
>>>>> seems to me that the hate the two organizations have
>>>> towards each other is
>>>>> not as strong amongest this generation. Infact many
>>>> members of NABS of ACB
>>>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in life and attack on the
>>>> other organization is
>>>>> usually not allow on each organization's mailing
>>>> list.
>>>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does not have the same
>>>> amount of people
>>>>> attending its' convention, but their attendence is not
>>>> small eather. I would
>>>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB convention and all the major
>>>> venders who attend
>>>>> the NFB convention attend the ACB convention. There
>>>> are also quite a few
>>>>> young people who attend the ACB convention.
>>>>> Yes ACB does its' business different then NFB, but
>>>> thats why they are a
>>>>> different organization. However, this does not make
>>>> them any worse or better
>>>>> then the NFB.
>>>>> Just my thoughts and it would be great if we keep the
>>>> attacks on each
>>>>> organization to as less as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anmol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>>>> vague, like a breeze
>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>>>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>>>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
>>>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>>>> mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 12:25 PM
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> How long ago was this? Things could've
>>>> changed
>>>>>> since you last went
>>>>>> if it's been a while, maybe? And, with respect,
>>>> this
>>>>>> is a big deal to
>>>>>> a lot of us. I know for me it's a lot more than
>>>> a
>>>>>> "small
>>>>>> consideration", I like to know the past as much as
>>>> I can
>>>>>> because it
>>>>>> shaped the here and now. I can read the books
>>>> put out
>>>>>> by each
>>>>>> organization-they probably both have lots of the
>>>> truth
>>>>>> intermingled
>>>>>> with their respective agendas. But nothing
>>>> beats
>>>>>> talking to people
>>>>>> who have studied the issues or, preferably, people
>>>> who were
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The two biggest things I noticed at an ACB
>>>> national
>>>>>> convention were
>>>>>>> that the crowd was considerably smaller than
>>>> that at a
>>>>>> NFB convention
>>>>>>> -- less exhibits etc. too. The second
>>>> things was
>>>>>> that there were few
>>>>>>> young persons -- some but noticeably not
>>>> very
>>>>>> many. One of the major
>>>>>>> things that the ACB has pushed in the past is
>>>> that it
>>>>>> is different
>>>>>>> from the NFB, it does things differently
>>>> etc.
>>>>>> This doesn't really
>>>>>>> matter to younger people though, so they have
>>>> little
>>>>>> reason to join, so
>>>>>>> don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You guys can spend lots of time on the
>>>> history, and
>>>>>> differences if
>>>>>>> you want -- but what is the point. It
>>>> happened,
>>>>>> it is over with and
>>>>>>> done. Yes we can and should learn from our
>>>>>> history, but it is just
>>>>>>> one small consideration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>> I do see your point. Those
>>>>>> alive at the time are not, and will
>>>>>>>> probabluy never be friends. Heck,
>>>> getting
>>>>>> them to actually talk in
>>>>>>>> peace would be the achievement of the
>>>>>> century! if such a call were
>>>>>>>> to hypothetically happen, how could we
>>>> keep it from
>>>>>> opening old wounds
>>>>>>>> and stoking old fires?
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our joint conference call isn't
>>>> associated
>>>>>> whatsoever with the
>>>>>>>>> proposition of a change in the NFB
>>>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting this
>>>>>>>>> up, which it appears I am, I didn't
>>>> even have
>>>>>> the intention of
>>>>>>>>> mentioning that proposition on the
>>>>>> call. The call's purpose is
>>>>>>>>> to learn the history of the NFB/ACB,
>>>> with a
>>>>>> little emphasis on
>>>>>>>>> the "civil war" period, from both
>>>> sides so we
>>>>>> are informed. I
>>>>>>>>> also want this call to start a
>>>> discussion on
>>>>>> the history of our
>>>>>>>>> movement and what we can learn from
>>>> it, not
>>>>>> only as
>>>>>>>>> Federationists, but as blind
>>>> students.
>>>>>> Jorge and I have found
>>>>>>>>> some ways that we can hold the call
>>>> without
>>>>>> making it a NABS
>>>>>>>>> membership call, if it is entirely
>>>>>> necessary. And as to your
>>>>>>>>> comments about them not being our
>>>> friends,
>>>>>> then using your
>>>>>>>>> argument, the Republicans should not
>>>> hear the
>>>>>> Democrats point of
>>>>>>>>> view in meetings of Congress, but
>>>> the two
>>>>>> parties should be
>>>>>>>>> separated from each other for fear
>>>> of their
>>>>>> own side being
>>>>>>>>> attacked. We can keep our same
>>>>>> opinions, and probably many
>>>>>>>>> Federationists and Council members
>>>> who attend
>>>>>> this call will.
>>>>>>>>> This is just a way that we can be
>>>> more
>>>>>> informed when forming
>>>>>>>>> these opinions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of
>>>> vision!"
>>>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities
>>>> and find a
>>>>>> local camp near
>>>>>>>>> you, just click on this link to
>>>> their
>>>>>> national Web site:
>>>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps
>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>>>>>> Maryland have the ability to
>>>> confidently say
>>>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>>>>>>>>> on this link to learn more and to
>>>>>> contribute:
>>>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind
>>>> Students
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:39:01
>>>> -0500
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>>>>>> interview,Ride into History, Race
>>>> for
>>>>>> Independence, Wed. June
>>>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't want to friend anyone -- but
>>>> I think
>>>>>> this is a terrible
>>>>>>>>> idea! Remember the ACB split off
>>>> from
>>>>>> the NFB because they
>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>> that we were all wrong, did our
>>>> business in
>>>>>> the wrong way etc. I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> not going to say that we can't learn
>>>> anything
>>>>>> from the ACB, but
>>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>> history lesson. I was at a ACb
>>>> National
>>>>>> Convention a few years
>>>>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>>> -- and heard the NFB attacked openly
>>>> and
>>>>>> indirectly. These folks
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not our friends. We can work
>>>> jointly at
>>>>>> times, and should, and I
>>>>>>>>> don't think we should be against
>>>> them, for
>>>>>> the sake of it, as
>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>> my old-timer friends are -- but a
>>>> joint
>>>>>> conference call on
>>>>>>>>> consideration of a change to a NFB
>>>> division
>>>>>> bylaw is going to
>>>>>>>>> far!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a friend in the Council that
>>>> I will
>>>>>> see Monday night, so I
>>>>>>>>> plan to give this idea to him and
>>>> ask if he
>>>>>> knows someone in the
>>>>>>>>> Council that would be knowledgeable
>>>> enough
>>>>>> and willing to attend
>>>>>>>>> this call on behalf of the Council
>>>> as an
>>>>>> expert on their history.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe it would be better if someone
>>>> like me
>>>>>> moderated. Keep in
>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>> that I did volunteer, but I'm not
>>>> degrading
>>>>>> anyone else, I'm just
>>>>>>>>> using myself as an example here.
>>>> I'm a
>>>>>> member of the Federation,
>>>>>>>>> but I'm not a hard-line "NFB is
>>>> good, ACB
>>>>>> bad" person, so I
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> show any bias to NFB or ACB. I
>>>> also am
>>>>>> not currently a
>>>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>>>>> (due-paying) member of NABS, so I'm
>>>> not a
>>>>>> leader in it of
>>>>>>>>> course. That way, we wouldn't have
>>>> any
>>>>>> bias.
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be easy to have it
>>>> jointly
>>>>>> attended even if it's
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> official NABS call. If we have a
>>>>>> representative of ACB on the
>>>>>>>>> call,
>>>>>>>>> we could probably easily get other
>>>> members of
>>>>>> ACB on the call to
>>>>>>>>> kind of back up or add to that
>>>> guest
>>>>>> speaker's information.
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of
>>>> vision!"
>>>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities
>>>> and find a
>>>>>> local camp near
>>>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>>>> just click on this link to their
>>>> national Web
>>>>>> site:
>>>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps
>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>>>>>> Maryland
>>>>>>>>> have the ability to confidently say
>>>> "I can!"
>>>>>> How? Click on this
>>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>>> to learn more and to contribute:
>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind
>>>> Students
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:45:08
>>>> -0600
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>>>>>> interview,Ride into History, Race
>>>> for
>>>>>> Independence, Wed. June
>>>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carley,
>>>>>>>>> The two organizations don't
>>>>>> really claim to be "friends" as
>>>>>>>>> such-it
>>>>>>>>> seems like now they just mostly
>>>> ignore each
>>>>>> other, work jointly
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> their agendas converge and play
>>>> politics when
>>>>>> they don't. Maybe
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> aren't enemies, but the official
>>>>>> organizations don't really
>>>>>>>>> advertise
>>>>>>>>> themselves as friends.
>>>>>>>>> While it would be great to
>>>>>> have people from both organizations
>>>>>>>>> participate in a joint call, I don't
>>>> see it
>>>>>> happening. Here's
>>>>>>>>> hoping
>>>>>>>>> though, I guess It's certainly a
>>>> nice
>>>>>> thought-although, if the
>>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>> were to have presentations from
>>>> members of
>>>>>> both organizations, it
>>>>>>>>> probably should be jointly moderated
>>>> and
>>>>>> attended. The NFB (or
>>>>>>>>> probably even NABS) would, I'm
>>>> betting, not
>>>>>> be inclined to go
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>> So maybe we'll have better luck
>>>> going through
>>>>>> unnoficial channels
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> setting this up on our own? No
>>>> need to
>>>>>> make it an official event
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> either the Federation or the
>>>> Council-I think
>>>>>> it's safe to say
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> idea was doomed to fail before it
>>>> was brought
>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> And, as I said before, I would be
>>>> very
>>>>>> willing to moderate this
>>>>>>>>> call. Please keep me posted!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of
>>>> vision!"
>>>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities
>>>> and find a
>>>>>> local camp near
>>>>>>>>> you, just click on this link to
>>>> their
>>>>>> national Web site:
>>>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps
>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>>>>>> Maryland have the ability to
>>>> confidently say
>>>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>>>>>>>>> on this link to learn more and to
>>>>>> contribute:
>>>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind
>>>> Students
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:04
>>>> -0400
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>>>>>> interview,Ride into History, Race
>>>> for
>>>>>> Independence, Wed. June
>>>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This call would be very interesting
>>>>>> indeed. If representatives
>>>>>>>>> from both organizations are willing
>>>> to
>>>>>> participate, it can really
>>>>>>>>> be productive in many ways.
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carly
>>>> Mihalakis
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good morning, list,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A few days ago, someone on
>>>>>> the NABS list suggested a
>>>>>>>>> conference
>>>>>>>>> call bringing clarity to a younger
>>>>>> generation. What, exactly, is
>>>>>>>>> the history of the ideological
>>>> parting of
>>>>>> ways, between the
>>>>>>>>> Federation and the Council? Does
>>>> anybody know
>>>>>> today, the history
>>>>>>>>> of this division or is it a product
>>>> of sheer
>>>>>> habit as is the case
>>>>>>>>> with Republicans and Democrats? If
>>>> such a
>>>>>> meeting of both
>>>>>>>>> entities were to take place, There
>>>> ought to
>>>>>> be representation of
>>>>>>>>> both organizations so that a
>>>> wholistic
>>>>>> portrait of this issue
>>>>>>>>> can be exercised.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and its split from the
>>>>>> ACB. This seems like a productive and
>>>>>>>>> enlightening discussion but I
>>>> wonder, if the
>>>>>> Federation and the
>>>>>>>>> council claim to be friends, should
>>>> there not
>>>>>> be representation
>>>>>>>>> from both sides, identifying
>>>>>> their position and whereabouts
>>>>>>>>> they stand, in this? At
>>>>>>>>> ---- Original Message
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>> From: "Joe Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> (by way of David
>>>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes interview,
>>>> Ride
>>>>>>>>> into History,Race for
>>>> Independence,
>>>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>>>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Ruffalo will interview
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> In addition, featured will
>>>>>> be Imaginators who will share the
>>>>>>>>> methods
>>>>>>>>> to make the ask to make a
>>>>>> difference in changing what it means
>>>>>>>>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Special highlight of the
>>>>>> interview will be the announcement of
>>>>>>>>> the 30
>>>>>>>>> winners who will have the
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>>>>>>>>> while attending
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To watch and listen to the
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>>>>>>>>> following:
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>>>>>>>>>
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