[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 22 18:12:37 UTC 2011
Jessica,
Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind person to feel mobil even if they don't have good mobility skills and frankly I would rather have audible street lights then to see a blind person get killed because they could not figure out how the traffic goes.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
> There are certain types of
> intersections where no matter how long you stand there and
> listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle so in
> those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that in mind
> when someone talks about every intersection being crossable
> by listening to traffic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Anmol,
> > It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll be
> possible, some day. Never say
> > never, ri9ght?
> > But here's the thing. The two
> organizations have evolved two
> > separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm doing
> something really bad
> > and generalizing. If anyone who knows more than
> I do wants to correct
> > me here, feel free.
> > The stance the ACB seems to take more often than
> not is to make the
> > environment more accessible for us. This is
> evidenced by their
> > support for audible street signals (which make a lot
> of sense to me,
> > I'm not really convinced one way or the other on that
> one yet),
> > tactile currency, descriptive movies, the provisions
> in the ADA to
> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st century communications
> act, their
> > support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal design in
> technology, etc.
> > They also use lots of their resources to fight
> descrimination, at
> > least it seems that way to me.
> > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to more often
> than not advocate us
> > adapting to the environment. This is evidenced
> by the strict
> > standards of training centers, pushing braille,
> opposition to the
> > tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on traffic
> rather than
> > audible signals (which makes a lot of sense to me),
> our philosophy
> > that with the right training and opportunity we can
> compete on an
> > equal footing, the idea of the blind driver challenge,
> etc. Of course
> > the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in the
> environment (technology
> > bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and the ADA
> which we also
> > supported), and the ACB does advocate for quality
> independence
> > training/O&M. But, those are the rough
> philosophies of the two
> > organizations, if we're going by their records.
> Is the ACB wrong?
> > No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of a fit
> with my vision of
> > blindness. I just think thee two separate
> methodoligies willkeep us
> > from ever uniting as one group...and that's ok.
> We all have the
> > right, even the obligation to advocate for ourselves
> and those we
> > represent. The ACB does it their way, we do it
> ours. Sometimes there
> > is overlap, lots of times our philosophies take us in
> different
> > directions and put us on opposite sides of important
> issues. When our
> > aims are the same (or similar), we need to work
> together and present a
> > united front. When we are at odds (which we
> often are, the two
> > organizations really are very different), we both have
> the right to
> > push our separate agendas and attempt to get our
> policies implimented.
> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> politics. We don't have
> > to be bitter about it and, on the personal level, we
> can still be good
> > friends even when our politics are at odds.
> > Just my thoughts,
> > Kirt
> >
> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> Kirt,
> >> You bring some vary valid points, and yes we have
> beaten the
> >> democrats/republicans analogy to death but
> it keeps coming up as a
> >> comparison, so I will just say one thing about
> this. I may have already said
> >> this before on the list, but please furgive me if
> I have. The blind
> >> community is a to small of a community to be
> divided on partizen lines like
> >> democrats and republicans, and our challenges are
> to great to be divided
> >> like democrats and republicans. Sure there will be
> differences between
> >> members of the ACB and members of the NFB on how
> business should be
> >> conducted, but honestly there differences between
> members of each
> >> organization on how their organization should do
> business.
> >> True there were disagreement on how business
> should and leadership issues
> >> causing the split between the NFB and ACB, I
> consider the leadership issues
> >> to be pitty differences. Often when one candidate
> loses, they and their
> >> supporters go and form their on organization or
> chapter. This happened at my
> >> local NFB chapter and as a result we have two NFB
> chapters in a small town.
> >> Now some may consider this to be a good thing, but
> think about how much more
> >> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter in
> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> >> fund raising and my volunteers for events. In
> addition, these types of
> >> childish arguements causes many blind people who
> otherwise may be involved
> >> in a blind organization to be a "fense sitters".
> Now using this analogy to
> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds that NFB
> has, but they are not
> >> poor eather. Their attendence is not as large at
> the conventions, but it is
> >> not small eather. Think if both of these
> organizations were together how
> >> much more money we would have to do policy that
> each organization does or
> >> the advocacy work that each organization
> does, and think about how much
> >> larger the convention would be. We would pack two
> hotels full or near full.
> >> In addition, think about how much venders would be
> giving out in prizes
> >> because now insteading having to spend money to
> send their workers to two
> >> convention, they will only have to send their
> workers to one convention. In
> >> addition, most venders give out big prizes at each
> convention and if there
> >> was only one convention, they can give two
> prizes.
> >> However, you are right in that realistically the
> two organizations will not
> >> merge any time soon.
> >>
> >> best wishes,
> >> Anmol
> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
> is vague, like a breeze
> >> among flowers.
> >> Hellen Keller
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51 PM
> >>> Anmol,
> >>> I don't really see a merger
> happening any time soon,
> >>> nor would I
> >>> want it to. We've all beaten the
> democrat/republican
> >>> analogy to
> >>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and Mitt
> Romney in the
> >>> same political
> >>> party. It just wouldn't work.
> There are huge
> >>> differences. It
> >>> doesn't make the NFB better for everyone, but
> it makes the
> >>> NFB better
> >>> for me. I have lots of respect for my
> friends in the
> >>> ACB who stand up
> >>> and fight for their agenda. Lots of the
> times, it's
> >>> the same as mine.
> >>> When it's not, we can talk without being
> jackasses to each
> >>> other and,
> >>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement actually
> strengthens
> >>> our
> >>> friendship.
> >>> I say diversity is good,
> competition is good, we
> >>> need a free market
> >>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the sincere
> people there
> >>> trying to make
> >>> the lives of blind people better. I
> happen to find
> >>> the Federation
> >>> philosophy and method more meaningful for
> me. I want
> >>> to understand
> >>> the split. From the little bit of
> studying I've done,
> >>> I don't really
> >>> think it was petty personal differences but
> rather
> >>> differing
> >>> philosophies about methodology and leadership
> that drove
> >>> the two
> >>> groups to separate. We can be different
> without being
> >>> petty. We can
> >>> disagree without being bigots. When our
> two
> >>> organizations come down
> >>> on opposite sides of important issues, as we
> often do, we
> >>> need not be
> >>> arrogant or self-rightious because we think
> we're
> >>> right. The fact is,
> >>> we disagree. And I think the
> disagreements are too
> >>> central to our
> >>> respective organizations for us to ever become
> one.
> >>> But that doesn't
> >>> mean we can't be friends, especially on a
> personal level.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Kirt
> >>>
> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Kirt,
> >>>> You are bringing up some vary good
> points...
> >>> Understanding the history of
> >>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part in the
> history in
> >>> the blind movement and
> >>>> an important part in the history of two
> organizations.
> >>> Frankly in it is just
> >>>> my oppinion both organizations bring value
> and have
> >>> and continue to make a
> >>>> difference for blind people across America
> on a daily
> >>> bases. It is a shame
> >>>> that this split happened and just maybe
> the next
> >>> generation of blind
> >>>> individuals our generation or those who
> are younger
> >>> then can bring the two
> >>>> organizations together once again. Now
> this is just my
> >>> translation and my
> >>>> oppinion, but it seems to me that
> the NFB ACB
> >>> split happened over pitty
> >>>> differences and two individuals with
> different ideas
> >>> fighting for power. It
> >>>> seems to me that the hate the two
> organizations have
> >>> towards each other is
> >>>> not as strong amongest this generation.
> Infact many
> >>> members of NABS of ACB
> >>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in life and
> attack on the
> >>> other organization is
> >>>> usually not allow on each
> organization's mailing
> >>> list.
> >>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does not have
> the same
> >>> amount of people
> >>>> attending its' convention, but their
> attendence is not
> >>> small eather. I would
> >>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB convention and
> all the major
> >>> venders who attend
> >>>> the NFB convention attend the ACB
> convention. There
> >>> are also quite a few
> >>>> young people who attend the ACB
> convention.
> >>>> Yes ACB does its' business different then
> NFB, but
> >>> thats why they are a
> >>>> different organization. However, this does
> not make
> >>> them any worse or better
> >>>> then the NFB.
> >>>> Just my thoughts and it would be great if
> we keep the
> >>> attacks on each
> >>>> organization to as less as possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anmol
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and
> they never
> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>>> there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it is
> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >>>> among flowers.
> >>>> Hellen Keller
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >>>>> into History, Race for Independence,
> Wed. June 22,
> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> >>> mailing list"
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 12:25
> PM
> >>>>> Dave,
> >>>>> How long ago was
> this? Things could've
> >>> changed
> >>>>> since you last went
> >>>>> if it's been a while, maybe?
> And, with respect,
> >>> this
> >>>>> is a big deal to
> >>>>> a lot of us. I know for me it's
> a lot more than
> >>> a
> >>>>> "small
> >>>>> consideration", I like to know the
> past as much as
> >>> I can
> >>>>> because it
> >>>>> shaped the here and now. I can
> read the books
> >>> put out
> >>>>> by each
> >>>>> organization-they probably both have
> lots of the
> >>> truth
> >>>>> intermingled
> >>>>> with their respective agendas.
> But nothing
> >>> beats
> >>>>> talking to people
> >>>>> who have studied the issues or,
> preferably, people
> >>> who were
> >>>>> actually
> >>>>> there.
> >>>>> All the best,
> >>>>> Kirt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> The two biggest things I noticed
> at an ACB
> >>> national
> >>>>> convention were
> >>>>>> that the crowd was considerably
> smaller than
> >>> that at a
> >>>>> NFB convention
> >>>>>> -- less exhibits etc. too.
> The second
> >>> things was
> >>>>> that there were few
> >>>>>> young persons -- some but
> noticeably not
> >>> very
> >>>>> many. One of the major
> >>>>>> things that the ACB has pushed in
> the past is
> >>> that it
> >>>>> is different
> >>>>>> from the NFB, it does things
> differently
> >>> etc.
> >>>>> This doesn't really
> >>>>>> matter to younger people though,
> so they have
> >>> little
> >>>>> reason to join, so
> >>>>>> don't.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You guys can spend lots of time on
> the
> >>> history, and
> >>>>> differences if
> >>>>>> you want -- but what is the
> point. It
> >>> happened,
> >>>>> it is over with and
> >>>>>> done. Yes we can and should
> learn from our
> >>>>> history, but it is just
> >>>>>> one small consideration.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dave,
> >>>>>>> I do see your
> point. Those
> >>>>> alive at the time are not, and will
> >>>>>>> probabluy never be
> friends. Heck,
> >>> getting
> >>>>> them to actually talk in
> >>>>>>> peace would be the achievement
> of the
> >>>>> century! if such a
> call were
> >>>>>>> to hypothetically happen, how
> could we
> >>> keep it from
> >>>>> opening old wounds
> >>>>>>> and stoking old fires?
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>> Kirt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Dave,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Our joint conference call
> isn't
> >>> associated
> >>>>> whatsoever with the
> >>>>>>>> proposition of a change in
> the NFB
> >>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting this
> >>>>>>>> up, which it appears I am,
> I didn't
> >>> even have
> >>>>> the intention of
> >>>>>>>> mentioning that
> proposition on the
> >>>>> call. The call's purpose is
> >>>>>>>> to learn the history of
> the NFB/ACB,
> >>> with a
> >>>>> little emphasis on
> >>>>>>>> the "civil war" period,
> from both
> >>> sides so we
> >>>>> are informed. I
> >>>>>>>> also want this call to
> start a
> >>> discussion on
> >>>>> the history of our
> >>>>>>>> movement and what we can
> learn from
> >>> it, not
> >>>>> only as
> >>>>>>>> Federationists, but as
> blind
> >>> students.
> >>>>> Jorge and I have found
> >>>>>>>> some ways that we can hold
> the call
> >>> without
> >>>>> making it a NABS
> >>>>>>>> membership call, if it is
> entirely
> >>>>> necessary. And as to your
> >>>>>>>> comments about them not
> being our
> >>> friends,
> >>>>> then using your
> >>>>>>>> argument, the Republicans
> should not
> >>> hear the
> >>>>> Democrats point of
> >>>>>>>> view in meetings of
> Congress, but
> >>> the two
> >>>>> parties should be
> >>>>>>>> separated from each other
> for fear
> >>> of their
> >>>>> own side being
> >>>>>>>> attacked. We can
> keep our same
> >>>>> opinions, and probably many
> >>>>>>>> Federationists and Council
> members
> >>> who attend
> >>>>> this call will.
> >>>>>>>> This is just a way that we
> can be
> >>> more
> >>>>> informed when forming
> >>>>>>>> these opinions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a
> loss of
> >>> vision!"
> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp
> Abilities
> >>> and find a
> >>>>> local camp near
> >>>>>>>> you, just click on this
> link to
> >>> their
> >>>>> national Web site:
> >>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> >>> visually
> >>>>> impaired youth in
> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the ability
> to
> >>> confidently say
> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
> >>>>>>>> on this link to learn more
> and to
> >>>>> contribute:
> >>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from
> my BrailleNote
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----
> Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >>>>>>>> To: National Association
> of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>>>> mailing list
> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun
> 2011 20:39:01
> >>> -0500
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >>> for
> >>>>> Independence, Wed. June
> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chris:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't want to friend
> anyone -- but
> >>> I think
> >>>>> this is a terrible
> >>>>>>>> idea! Remember the
> ACB split off
> >>> from
> >>>>> the NFB because they
> >>>>>>>> thought
> >>>>>>>> that we were all wrong,
> did our
> >>> business in
> >>>>> the wrong way etc. I
> >>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>> not going to say that we
> can't learn
> >>> anything
> >>>>> from the ACB, but
> >>>>>>>> not a
> >>>>>>>> history lesson. I
> was at a ACb
> >>> National
> >>>>> Convention a few years
> >>>>>>>> ago
> >>>>>>>> -- and heard the NFB
> attacked openly
> >>> and
> >>>>> indirectly. These folks
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> not our friends. We
> can work
> >>> jointly at
> >>>>> times, and should, and I
> >>>>>>>> don't think we should be
> against
> >>> them, for
> >>>>> the sake of it, as
> >>>>>>>> some of
> >>>>>>>> my old-timer friends are
> -- but a
> >>> joint
> >>>>> conference call on
> >>>>>>>> consideration of a change
> to a NFB
> >>> division
> >>>>> bylaw is going to
> >>>>>>>> far!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Kirt,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have a friend in the
> Council that
> >>> I will
> >>>>> see Monday night, so I
> >>>>>>>> plan to give this idea to
> him and
> >>> ask if he
> >>>>> knows someone in the
> >>>>>>>> Council that would be
> knowledgeable
> >>> enough
> >>>>> and willing to attend
> >>>>>>>> this call on behalf of the
> Council
> >>> as an
> >>>>> expert on their history.
> >>>>>>>> Maybe it would be better
> if someone
> >>> like me
> >>>>> moderated. Keep in
> >>>>>>>> mind
> >>>>>>>> that I did volunteer, but
> I'm not
> >>> degrading
> >>>>> anyone else, I'm just
> >>>>>>>> using myself as an example
> here.
> >>> I'm a
> >>>>> member of the Federation,
> >>>>>>>> but I'm not a hard-line
> "NFB is
> >>> good, ACB
> >>>>> bad" person, so I
> >>>>>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>>>>> show any bias to NFB or
> ACB. I
> >>> also am
> >>>>> not currently a
> >>>>>>>> contributing
> >>>>>>>> (due-paying) member of
> NABS, so I'm
> >>> not a
> >>>>> leader in it of
> >>>>>>>> course. That way, we
> wouldn't have
> >>> any
> >>>>> bias.
> >>>>>>>> I think it would be easy
> to have it
> >>> jointly
> >>>>> attended even if it's
> >>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>> official NABS call.
> If we have a
> >>>>> representative of ACB on the
> >>>>>>>> call,
> >>>>>>>> we could probably easily
> get other
> >>> members of
> >>>>> ACB on the call to
> >>>>>>>> kind of back up or add to
> that
> >>> guest
> >>>>> speaker's information.
> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a
> loss of
> >>> vision!"
> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp
> Abilities
> >>> and find a
> >>>>> local camp near
> >>>>>>>> you,
> >>>>>>>> just click on this link to
> their
> >>> national Web
> >>>>> site:
> >>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> >>> visually
> >>>>> impaired youth in
> >>>>>>>> Maryland
> >>>>>>>> have the ability to
> confidently say
> >>> "I can!"
> >>>>> How? Click on this
> >>>>>>>> link
> >>>>>>>> to learn more and to
> contribute:
> >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
> -----
> >>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> To: National Association
> of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>>>> mailing list
> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun
> 2011 00:45:08
> >>> -0600
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >>> for
> >>>>> Independence, Wed. June
> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Carley,
> >>>>>>>> The two
> organizations don't
> >>>>> really claim to be "friends" as
> >>>>>>>> such-it
> >>>>>>>> seems like now they just
> mostly
> >>> ignore each
> >>>>> other, work jointly
> >>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>> their agendas converge and
> play
> >>> politics when
> >>>>> they don't. Maybe
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> aren't enemies, but the
> official
> >>>>> organizations don't really
> >>>>>>>> advertise
> >>>>>>>> themselves as friends.
> >>>>>>>> While it
> would be great to
> >>>>> have people from both organizations
> >>>>>>>> participate in a joint
> call, I don't
> >>> see it
> >>>>> happening. Here's
> >>>>>>>> hoping
> >>>>>>>> though, I guess It's
> certainly a
> >>> nice
> >>>>> thought-although, if the
> >>>>>>>> call
> >>>>>>>> were to have presentations
> from
> >>> members of
> >>>>> both organizations, it
> >>>>>>>> probably should be jointly
> moderated
> >>> and
> >>>>> attended. The NFB (or
> >>>>>>>> probably even NABS) would,
> I'm
> >>> betting, not
> >>>>> be inclined to go
> >>>>>>>> there.
> >>>>>>>> So maybe we'll have better
> luck
> >>> going through
> >>>>> unnoficial channels
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> setting this up on our
> own? No
> >>> need to
> >>>>> make it an official event
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> either the Federation or
> the
> >>> Council-I think
> >>>>> it's safe to say
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> idea was doomed to fail
> before it
> >>> was brought
> >>>>> up.
> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>> Kirt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> And, as I said before, I
> would be
> >>> very
> >>>>> willing to moderate this
> >>>>>>>> call. Please keep me
> posted!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a
> loss of
> >>> vision!"
> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp
> Abilities
> >>> and find a
> >>>>> local camp near
> >>>>>>>> you, just click on this
> link to
> >>> their
> >>>>> national Web site:
> >>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> >>> visually
> >>>>> impaired youth in
> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the ability
> to
> >>> confidently say
> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
> >>>>>>>> on this link to learn more
> and to
> >>>>> contribute:
> >>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----
> Original Message
> >>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> To: National Association
> of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>>>> mailing list
> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun
> 2011 18:51:04
> >>> -0400
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >>> for
> >>>>> Independence, Wed. June
> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This call would be very
> interesting
> >>>>> indeed. If representatives
> >>>>>>>> from both organizations
> are willing
> >>> to
> >>>>> participate, it can really
> >>>>>>>> be productive in many
> ways.
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46
> PM, Carly
> >>> Mihalakis
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good morning,
> list,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A few days
> ago, someone on
> >>>>> the NABS list suggested a
> >>>>>>>> conference
> >>>>>>>> call bringing clarity to a
> younger
> >>>>> generation. What, exactly, is
> >>>>>>>> the history of the
> ideological
> >>> parting of
> >>>>> ways, between the
> >>>>>>>> Federation and the
> Council? Does
> >>> anybody know
> >>>>> today, the history
> >>>>>>>> of this division or is it
> a product
> >>> of sheer
> >>>>> habit as is the case
> >>>>>>>> with Republicans and
> Democrats? If
> >>> such a
> >>>>> meeting of both
> >>>>>>>> entities were to take
> place, There
> >>> ought to
> >>>>> be representation of
> >>>>>>>> both organizations
> so that a
> >>> wholistic
> >>>>> portrait of this issue
> >>>>>>>> can be exercised.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and its split
> from the
> >>>>> ACB. This seems like a
> productive and
> >>>>>>>> enlightening discussion
> but I
> >>> wonder, if the
> >>>>> Federation and the
> >>>>>>>> council claim to be
> friends, should
> >>> there not
> >>>>> be representation
> >>>>>>>> from
> both sides, identifying
> >>>>> their position and whereabouts
> >>>>>>>> they stand, in this? At
> >>>>>>>> ---- Original
> Message
> >>>>> ------
> >>>>>>>> From: "Joe
> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> >>>>> (by way of David
> >>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >>>>>>>> Subject:
> >>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes
> interview,
> >>> Ride
> >>>>>>>> into History,Race for
> >>> Independence,
> >>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>>>>>>> Date sent:
> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Save The
> Date:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday,
> June 22,at
> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
> >>>>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>>> Ruffalo will
> interview
> >>>>> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> Imagination
> >>>>>>>> Fund,
> >>>>>>>> Race for
> Independence.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The interview
> will highlight
> >>>>> current and past grants awarded to
> >>>>>>>> state
> >>>>>>>> affiliates
> and chapters.
> >>>>>>>> In addition,
> featured will
> >>>>> be Imaginators who will share the
> >>>>>>>> methods
> >>>>>>>> to make the
> ask to make a
> >>>>> difference in changing what it means
> >>>>>>>> to be blind.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Special
> highlight of the
> >>>>> interview will be the announcement of
> >>>>>>>> the 30
> >>>>>>>> winners who
> will have the
> >>>>> opportunity to be driven by a blind
> >>>>>>>> driver
> >>>>>>>> while
> attending
> >>>>>>>> the national
> convention in
> >>>>> Orlando.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Witness the
> opportunity to
> >>>>> ride into history!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To watch and
> listen to the
> >>>>> interview, please visit the
> >>>>>>>> following:
> >>>>>>>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For JAWS
> users and mobile
> >>>>> phone users, please visit the
> >>>>>>>> following:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> m.thruoureyes.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Other options
> to watch or
> >>>>> listen can be found on the sites
> >>>>>>>> listed above.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To call in
> with comments or
> >>>>> questions, please dial the
> >>>>>>>> following:
> >>>>>>>> 1 888 572
> 0141
> >>>>>>>> Join us to
> Make a
> >>>>> Difference!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
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