[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Wed Jun 22 21:29:49 UTC 2011
I do this already, and it works.
I just want to be endependent.
The IBill needs to be made more affordable.
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Josh and Homberto,
> You're right to be concerned, I think. If possible, I'd say try to
> ask a clerk/cash register worker/bank teller about your money when
> other people are there. It's not foolproof, but I'd say you're almost
> guaranteed that none of those people will screw over a blind person
> with other people watching. It's not ideal, it's not perfect, but I'd
> say 99 times out of 100 you'll be fine. That's another reason to use
> a card whenever possible to try and keep that one out of 100 from
> happening.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want to know
>> what
>> it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it is? I
>> know
>> is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if that sighted
>> person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>> I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the iBill
>> identifier
>> if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or the other,
>> but so far, I can not afford either one.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kirt Manwaring
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:01 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>
>> Joshua,
>> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that doesn't cost a
>> thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you what your bills are
>> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them in the
>> future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going to fit in to
>> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
>> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not ideal maybe but, hey,
>> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get something with
>> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40 cell. I used a
>> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex for my first
>> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> This is what Allan Ramos told me.
>>> He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
>>> He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the Blind,) (not to
>>> be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
>>> I'm going on what he said.
>>> Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew Jackson.
>>> Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his book, "Growth."
>>> I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative, but we don't have
>>> such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small town.
>>> It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB to push the
>>> companies that make accessible technologies, to make their technology
>>> affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
>>> That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge, (for example.)
>>> They will make this car, but they have to charge an obseen amount of
>>> money, for it.
>>> I'm not going to be able to afford it.
>>> I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille display, and my
>>> state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
>>> I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,) the IBill costs
>> $100.
>>> The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is as small as a
>>> giga-pet.
>>> I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
>>> Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
>>> Make it affordable!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Josh,
>>>> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not realistic. Can you
>>>> see
>>>> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has been and
>>>> will
>>>> always be a fabric of this country as it is in every country. Which
>>>> country
>>>> has only coins and know paper currency?
>>>> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct me, but I do
>> not
>>>> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes. From my understanding
>>>> they
>>>> have been advocating a form of paper currency which is accessible and
>>>> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means to make paper
>>>> currency accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Anmol
>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>> breeze
>>>> among flowers.
>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
>>>>> Ride
>>>>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
>>>>> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
>>>>> accessible currency.
>>>>> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
>>>>> That isn't going to work.
>>>>> I have the answer to the problem.
>>>>> First of all, it's political.
>>>>> I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
>>>>> the side
>>>>> of the blind.
>>>>> When it comes to currency, they are.
>>>>> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
>>>>> standard?
>>>>> Coins are the answer to the problem.
>>>>> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
>>>>> We can't do this with paper currency.
>>>>> That solves the problems with our currency.
>>>>> This would help everyone, including us.
>>>>> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
>>>>> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
>>>>> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
>>>>> identify
>>>>> coins by their texture.
>>>>> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
>>>>> Yes, but is it worth it?
>>>>> Yes!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Jessica,
>>>>> > Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind
>>>>> person to feel mobil
>>>>> > even if they don't have good mobility skills and
>>>>> frankly I would rather have
>>>>> > audible street lights then to see a blind person get
>>>>> killed because they
>>>>> > could not figure out how the traffic goes.
>>>>> > Anmol
>>>>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>>>>> vague, like a breeze
>>>>> > among flowers.
>>>>> > Hellen Keller
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>>>>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>>> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
>>>>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> mailing list"
>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
>>>>> >> There are certain types of
>>>>> >> intersections where no matter how long you stand
>>>>> there and
>>>>> >> listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
>>>>> so in
>>>>> >> those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that
>>>>> in mind
>>>>> >> when someone talks about every intersection being
>>>>> crossable
>>>>> >> by listening to traffic.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring
>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Anmol,
>>>>> >> > It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll
>>>>> be
>>>>> >> possible, some day. Never say
>>>>> >> > never, ri9ght?
>>>>> >> > But here's the thing. The two
>>>>> >> organizations have evolved two
>>>>> >> > separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
>>>>> doing
>>>>> >> something really bad
>>>>> >> > and generalizing. If anyone who knows
>>>>> more than
>>>>> >> I do wants to correct
>>>>> >> > me here, feel free.
>>>>> >> > The stance the ACB seems to take more
>>>>> often than
>>>>> >> not is to make the
>>>>> >> > environment more accessible for us.
>>>>> This is
>>>>> >> evidenced by their
>>>>> >> > support for audible street signals (which
>>>>> make a lot
>>>>> >> of sense to me,
>>>>> >> > I'm not really convinced one way or the other
>>>>> on that
>>>>> >> one yet),
>>>>> >> > tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
>>>>> provisions
>>>>> >> in the ADA to
>>>>> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
>>>>> communications
>>>>> >> act, their
>>>>> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
>>>>> design in
>>>>> >> technology, etc.
>>>>> >> > They also use lots of their resources to
>>>>> fight
>>>>> >> descrimination, at
>>>>> >> > least it seems that way to me.
>>>>> >> > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
>>>>> more often
>>>>> >> than not advocate us
>>>>> >> > adapting to the environment. This is
>>>>> evidenced
>>>>> >> by the strict
>>>>> >> > standards of training centers, pushing
>>>>> braille,
>>>>> >> opposition to the
>>>>> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
>>>>> traffic
>>>>> >> rather than
>>>>> >> > audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
>>>>> to me),
>>>>> >> our philosophy
>>>>> >> > that with the right training and opportunity
>>>>> we can
>>>>> >> compete on an
>>>>> >> > equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
>>>>> challenge,
>>>>> >> etc. Of course
>>>>> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> environment (technology
>>>>> >> > bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
>>>>> the ADA
>>>>> >> which we also
>>>>> >> > supported), and the ACB does advocate for
>>>>> quality
>>>>> >> independence
>>>>> >> > training/O&M. But, those are the
>>>>> rough
>>>>> >> philosophies of the two
>>>>> >> > organizations, if we're going by their
>>>>> records.
>>>>> >> Is the ACB wrong?
>>>>> >> > No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
>>>>> a fit
>>>>> >> with my vision of
>>>>> >> > blindness. I just think thee two
>>>>> separate
>>>>> >> methodoligies willkeep us
>>>>> >> > from ever uniting as one group...and that's
>>>>> ok.
>>>>> >> We all have the
>>>>> >> > right, even the obligation to advocate for
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>> >> and those we
>>>>> >> > represent. The ACB does it their way,
>>>>> we do it
>>>>> >> ours. Sometimes there
>>>>> >> > is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
>>>>> take us in
>>>>> >> different
>>>>> >> > directions and put us on opposite sides of
>>>>> important
>>>>> >> issues. When our
>>>>> >> > aims are the same (or similar), we need to
>>>>> work
>>>>> >> together and present a
>>>>> >> > united front. When we are at odds
>>>>> (which we
>>>>> >> often are, the two
>>>>> >> > organizations really are very different), we
>>>>> both have
>>>>> >> the right to
>>>>> >> > push our separate agendas and attempt to get
>>>>> our
>>>>> >> policies implimented.
>>>>> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
>>>>> >> politics. We don't have
>>>>> >> > to be bitter about it and, on the personal
>>>>> level, we
>>>>> >> can still be good
>>>>> >> > friends even when our politics are at odds.
>>>>> >> > Just my thoughts,
>>>>> >> > Kirt
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Kirt,
>>>>> >> >> You bring some vary valid points, and yes
>>>>> we have
>>>>> >> beaten the
>>>>> >> >> democrats/republicans analogy to
>>>>> death but
>>>>> >> it keeps coming up as a
>>>>> >> >> comparison, so I will just say one thing
>>>>> about
>>>>> >> this. I may have already said
>>>>> >> >> this before on the list, but please
>>>>> furgive me if
>>>>> >> I have. The blind
>>>>> >> >> community is a to small of a community to
>>>>> be
>>>>> >> divided on partizen lines like
>>>>> >> >> democrats and republicans, and our
>>>>> challenges are
>>>>> >> to great to be divided
>>>>> >> >> like democrats and republicans. Sure
>>>>> there will be
>>>>> >> differences between
>>>>> >> >> members of the ACB and members of the NFB
>>>>> on how
>>>>> >> business should be
>>>>> >> >> conducted, but honestly there differences
>>>>> between
>>>>> >> members of each
>>>>> >> >> organization on how their organization
>>>>> should do
>>>>> >> business.
>>>>> >> >> True there were disagreement on how
>>>>> business
>>>>> >> should and leadership issues
>>>>> >> >> causing the split between the NFB and
>>>>> ACB, I
>>>>> >> consider the leadership issues
>>>>> >> >> to be pitty differences. Often when one
>>>>> candidate
>>>>> >> loses, they and their
>>>>> >> >> supporters go and form their on
>>>>> organization or
>>>>> >> chapter. This happened at my
>>>>> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a result we have
>>>>> two NFB
>>>>> >> chapters in a small town.
>>>>> >> >> Now some may consider this to be a good
>>>>> thing, but
>>>>> >> think about how much more
>>>>> >> >> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
>>>>> in
>>>>> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
>>>>> >> >> fund raising and my volunteers for
>>>>> events. In
>>>>> >> addition, these types of
>>>>> >> >> childish arguements causes many blind
>>>>> people who
>>>>> >> otherwise may be involved
>>>>> >> >> in a blind organization to be a "fense
>>>>> sitters".
>>>>> >> Now using this analogy to
>>>>> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
>>>>> that NFB
>>>>> >> has, but they are not
>>>>> >> >> poor eather. Their attendence is not as
>>>>> large at
>>>>> >> the conventions, but it is
>>>>> >> >> not small eather. Think if both of these
>>>>> >> organizations were together how
>>>>> >> >> much more money we would have to do
>>>>> policy that
>>>>> >> each organization does or
>>>>> >> >> the advocacy work that each
>>>>> organization
>>>>> >> does, and think about how much
>>>>> >> >> larger the convention would be. We would
>>>>> pack two
>>>>> >> hotels full or near full.
>>>>> >> >> In addition, think about how much venders
>>>>> would be
>>>>> >> giving out in prizes
>>>>> >> >> because now insteading having to spend
>>>>> money to
>>>>> >> send their workers to two
>>>>> >> >> convention, they will only have to send
>>>>> their
>>>>> >> workers to one convention. In
>>>>> >> >> addition, most venders give out big
>>>>> prizes at each
>>>>> >> convention and if there
>>>>> >> >> was only one convention, they can give
>>>>> two
>>>>> >> prizes.
>>>>> >> >> However, you are right in that
>>>>> realistically the
>>>>> >> two organizations will not
>>>>> >> >> merge any time soon.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> best wishes,
>>>>> >> >> Anmol
>>>>> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and
>>>>> they
>>>>> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at
>>>>> times; but it
>>>>> >> is vague, like a breeze
>>>>> >> >> among flowers.
>>>>> >> >> Hellen Keller
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
>>>>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>>> >> >>> into History, Race for Independence,
>>>>> Wed. June
>>>>> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind
>>>>> Students
>>>>> >> mailing list"
>>>>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
>>>>> PM
>>>>> >> >>> Anmol,
>>>>> >> >>> I don't really see a
>>>>> merger
>>>>> >> happening any time soon,
>>>>> >> >>> nor would I
>>>>> >> >>> want it to. We've all beaten
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> democrat/republican
>>>>> >> >>> analogy to
>>>>> >> >>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and
>>>>> Mitt
>>>>> >> Romney in the
>>>>> >> >>> same political
>>>>> >> >>> party. It just wouldn't work.
>>>>> >> There are huge
>>>>> >> >>> differences. It
>>>>> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB better for
>>>>> everyone, but
>>>>> >> it makes the
>>>>> >> >>> NFB better
>>>>> >> >>> for me. I have lots of respect
>>>>> for my
>>>>> >> friends in the
>>>>> >> >>> ACB who stand up
>>>>> >> >>> and fight for their agenda.
>>>>> Lots of the
>>>>> >> times, it's
>>>>> >> >>> the same as mine.
>>>>> >> >>> When it's not, we can talk without
>>>>> being
>>>>> >> jackasses to each
>>>>> >> >>> other and,
>>>>> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement
>>>>> actually
>>>>> >> strengthens
>>>>> >> >>> our
>>>>> >> >>> friendship.
>>>>> >> >>> I say diversity is
>>>>> good,
>>>>> >> competition is good, we
>>>>> >> >>> need a free market
>>>>> >> >>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the
>>>>> sincere
>>>>> >> people there
>>>>> >> >>> trying to make
>>>>> >> >>> the lives of blind people
>>>>> better. I
>>>>> >> happen to find
>>>>> >> >>> the Federation
>>>>> >> >>> philosophy and method more meaningful
>>>>> for
>>>>> >> me. I want
>>>>> >> >>> to understand
>>>>> >> >>> the split. From the little bit
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> studying I've done,
>>>>> >> >>> I don't really
>>>>> >> >>> think it was petty personal
>>>>> differences but
>>>>> >> rather
>>>>> >> >>> differing
>>>>> >> >>> philosophies about methodology and
>>>>> leadership
>>>>> >> that drove
>>>>> >> >>> the two
>>>>> >> >>> groups to separate. We can be
>>>>> different
>>>>> >> without being
>>>>> >> >>> petty. We can
>>>>> >> >>> disagree without being bigots.
>>>>> When our
>>>>> >> two
>>>>> >> >>> organizations come down
>>>>> >> >>> on opposite sides of important
>>>>> issues, as we
>>>>> >> often do, we
>>>>> >> >>> need not be
>>>>> >> >>> arrogant or self-rightious because we
>>>>> think
>>>>> >> we're
>>>>> >> >>> right. The fact is,
>>>>> >> >>> we disagree. And I think the
>>>>> >> disagreements are too
>>>>> >> >>> central to our
>>>>> >> >>> respective organizations for us to
>>>>> ever become
>>>>> >> one.
>>>>> >> >>> But that doesn't
>>>>> >> >>> mean we can't be friends, especially
>>>>> on a
>>>>> >> personal level.
>>>>> >> >>> Best,
>>>>> >> >>> Kirt
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>> Kirt,
>>>>> >> >>>> You are bringing up some vary
>>>>> good
>>>>> >> points...
>>>>> >> >>> Understanding the history of
>>>>> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part
>>>>> in the
>>>>> >> history in
>>>>> >> >>> the blind movement and
>>>>> >> >>>> an important part in the history
>>>>> of two
>>>>> >> organizations.
>>>>> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
>>>>> >> >>>> my oppinion both organizations
>>>>> bring value
>>>>> >> and have
>>>>> >> >>> and continue to make a
>>>>> >> >>>> difference for blind people
>>>>> across America
>>>>> >> on a daily
>>>>> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
>>>>> >> >>>> that this split happened and just
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> >> the next
>>>>> >> >>> generation of blind
>>>>> >> >>>> individuals our generation or
>>>>> those who
>>>>> >> are younger
>>>>> >> >>> then can bring the two
>>>>> >> >>>> organizations together once
>>>>> again. Now
>>>>> >> this is just my
>>>>> >> >>> translation and my
>>>>> >> >>>> oppinion, but it seems to
>>>>> me that
>>>>> >> the NFB ACB
>>>>> >> >>> split happened over pitty
>>>>> >> >>>> differences and two individuals
>>>>> with
>>>>> >> different ideas
>>>>> >> >>> fighting for power. It
>>>>> >> >>>> seems to me that the hate the
>>>>> two
>>>>> >> organizations have
>>>>> >> >>> towards each other is
>>>>> >> >>>> not as strong amongest this
>>>>> generation.
>>>>> >> Infact many
>>>>> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
>>>>> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in
>>>>> life and
>>>>> >> attack on the
>>>>> >> >>> other organization is
>>>>> >> >>>> usually not
>>>>> allow on each
>>>>> >> organization's mailing
>>>>> >> >>> list.
>>>>> >> >>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does
>>>>> not have
>>>>> >> the same
>>>>> >> >>> amount of people
>>>>> >> >>>> attending its' convention, but
>>>>> their
>>>>> >> attendence is not
>>>>> >> >>> small eather. I would
>>>>> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB
>>>>> convention and
>>>>> >> all the major
>>>>> >> >>> venders who attend
>>>>> >> >>>> the NFB convention attend the
>>>>> ACB
>>>>> >> convention. There
>>>>> >> >>> are also quite a few
>>>>> >> >>>> young people who attend the ACB
>>>>> >> convention.
>>>>> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its' business
>>>>> different then
>>>>> >> NFB, but
>>>>> >> >>> thats why they are a
>>>>> >> >>>> different organization. However,
>>>>> this does
>>>>> >> not make
>>>>> >> >>> them any worse or better
>>>>> >> >>>> then the NFB.
>>>>> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and it would be
>>>>> great if
>>>>> >> we keep the
>>>>> >> >>> attacks on each
>>>>> >> >>>> organization to as less as
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> Anmol
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> I seldom think about my
>>>>> limitations, and
>>>>> >> they never
>>>>> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>> >> >>>> there is just a touch of yearning
>>>>> at
>>>>> >> times; but it is
>>>>> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
>>>>> >> >>>> among flowers.
>>>>> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
>>>>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>>>>> >> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>>> >> >>>>> into History, Race for
>>>>> Independence,
>>>>> >> Wed. June 22,
>>>>> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> >> >>>>> To: "National Association of
>>>>> Blind
>>>>> >> Students
>>>>> >> >>> mailing list"
>>>>> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
>>>>> 12:25
>>>>> >> PM
>>>>> >> >>>>> Dave,
>>>>> >> >>>>> How long ago
>>>>> was
>>>>> >> this? Things could've
>>>>> >> >>> changed
>>>>> >> >>>>> since you last went
>>>>> >> >>>>> if it's been a while, maybe?
>>>>> >> And, with respect,
>>>>> >> >>> this
>>>>> >> >>>>> is a big deal to
>>>>> >> >>>>> a lot of us. I know for
>>>>> me it's
>>>>> >> a lot more than
>>>>> >> >>> a
>>>>> >> >>>>> "small
>>>>> >> >>>>> consideration", I like to
>>>>> know the
>>>>> >> past as much as
>>>>> >> >>> I can
>>>>> >> >>>>> because it
>>>>> >> >>>>> shaped the here and
>>>>> now. I can
>>>>> >> read the books
>>>>> >> >>> put out
>>>>> >> >>>>> by each
>>>>> >> >>>>> organization-they probably
>>>>> both have
>>>>> >> lots of the
>>>>> >> >>> truth
>>>>> >> >>>>> intermingled
>>>>> >> >>>>> with their respective
>>>>> agendas.
>>>>> >> But nothing
>>>>> >> >>> beats
>>>>> >> >>>>> talking to people
>>>>> >> >>>>> who have studied the issues
>>>>> or,
>>>>> >> preferably, people
>>>>> >> >>> who were
>>>>> >> >>>>> actually
>>>>> >> >>>>> there.
>>>>> >> >>>>> All the
>>>>> best,
>>>>> >> >>>>> Kirt
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews
>>>>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>>> The two biggest things I
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> >> at an ACB
>>>>> >> >>> national
>>>>> >> >>>>> convention were
>>>>> >> >>>>>> that the crowd was
>>>>> considerably
>>>>> >> smaller than
>>>>> >> >>> that at a
>>>>> >> >>>>> NFB convention
>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- less exhibits etc.
>>>>> too.
>>>>> >> The second
>>>>> >> >>> things was
>>>>> >> >>>>> that there were few
>>>>> >> >>>>>> young persons -- some
>>>>> but
>>>>> >> noticeably not
>>>>> >> >>> very
>>>>> >> >>>>> many. One of the major
>>>>> >> >>>>>> things that the ACB has
>>>>> pushed in
>>>>> >> the past is
>>>>> >> >>> that it
>>>>> >> >>>>> is different
>>>>> >> >>>>>> from the NFB, it does
>>>>> things
>>>>> >> differently
>>>>> >> >>> etc.
>>>>> >> >>>>> This doesn't really
>>>>> >> >>>>>> matter to younger people
>>>>> though,
>>>>> >> so they have
>>>>> >> >>> little
>>>>> >> >>>>> reason to join, so
>>>>> >> >>>>>> don't.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>> You guys can spend lots
>>>>> of time on
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> >>> history, and
>>>>> >> >>>>> differences if
>>>>> >> >>>>>> you want -- but what is
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> point. It
>>>>> >> >>> happened,
>>>>> >> >>>>> it is over with and
>>>>> >> >>>>>> done. Yes we can
>>>>> and should
>>>>> >> learn from our
>>>>> >> >>>>> history, but it is just
>>>>> >> >>>>>> one small consideration.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>> Dave
>>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I do see
>>>>> your
>>>>> >> point. Those
>>>>> >> >>>>> alive at the time are not,
>>>>> and will
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> probabluy never be
>>>>> >> friends. Heck,
>>>>> >> >>> getting
>>>>> >> >>>>> them to actually talk in
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> peace would be the
>>>>> achievement
>>>>> >> of the
>>>>> >> >>>>> century! if
>>>>> such a
>>>>> >> call were
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> to hypothetically
>>>>> happen, how
>>>>> >> could we
>>>>> >> >>> keep it from
>>>>> >> >>>>> opening old wounds
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> and stoking old
>>>>> fires?
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Best,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris
>>>>> Nusbaum
>>>>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Our joint
>>>>> conference call
>>>>> >> isn't
>>>>> >> >>> associated
>>>>> >> >>>>> whatsoever with the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> proposition of a
>>>>> change in
>>>>> >> the NFB
>>>>> >> >>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> up, which it
>>>>> appears I am,
>>>>> >> I didn't
>>>>> >> >>> even have
>>>>> >> >>>>> the intention of
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> mentioning that
>>>>> >> proposition on the
>>>>> >> >>>>> call. The call's
>>>>> purpose is
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> to learn the
>>>>> history of
>>>>> >> the NFB/ACB,
>>>>> >> >>> with a
>>>>> >> >>>>> little emphasis on
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> the "civil war"
>>>>> period,
>>>>> >> from both
>>>>> >> >>> sides so we
>>>>> >> >>>>> are informed. I
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> also want this
>>>>> call to
>>>>> >> start a
>>>>> >> >>> discussion on
>>>>> >> >>>>> the history of our
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> movement and what
>>>>> we can
>>>>> >> learn from
>>>>> >> >>> it, not
>>>>> >> >>>>> only as
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Federationists,
>>>>> but as
>>>>> >> blind
>>>>> >> >>> students.
>>>>> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have found
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> some ways that we
>>>>> can hold
>>>>> >> the call
>>>>> >> >>> without
>>>>> >> >>>>> making it a NABS
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> membership call,
>>>>> if it is
>>>>> >> entirely
>>>>> >> >>>>> necessary. And as to
>>>>> your
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> comments about
>>>>> them not
>>>>> >> being our
>>>>> >> >>> friends,
>>>>> >> >>>>> then using your
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> argument, the
>>>>> Republicans
>>>>> >> should not
>>>>> >> >>> hear the
>>>>> >> >>>>> Democrats point of
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> view in meetings
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> Congress, but
>>>>> >> >>> the two
>>>>> >> >>>>> parties should be
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> separated from
>>>>> each other
>>>>> >> for fear
>>>>> >> >>> of their
>>>>> >> >>>>> own side being
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> attacked.
>>>>> We can
>>>>> >> keep our same
>>>>> >> >>>>> opinions, and probably many
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Federationists
>>>>> and Council
>>>>> >> members
>>>>> >> >>> who attend
>>>>> >> >>>>> this call will.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> This is just a
>>>>> way that we
>>>>> >> can be
>>>>> >> >>> more
>>>>> >> >>>>> informed when forming
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> these opinions.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
>>>>> never a
>>>>> >> loss of
>>>>> >> >>> vision!"
>>>>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
>>>>> about Camp
>>>>> >> Abilities
>>>>> >> >>> and find a
>>>>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> you, just click
>>>>> on this
>>>>> >> link to
>>>>> >> >>> their
>>>>> >> >>>>> national Web site:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
>>>>> >> Foundation helps
>>>>> >> >>> visually
>>>>> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
>>>>> ability
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> >>> confidently say
>>>>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> on this link to
>>>>> learn more
>>>>> >> and to
>>>>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from
>>>>> >> my BrailleNote
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----
>>>>> >> Original Message -----
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> From: David
>>>>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
>>>>> Association
>>>>> >> of Blind
>>>>> >> >>> Students
>>>>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun,
>>>>> 19 Jun
>>>>> >> 2011 20:39:01
>>>>> >> >>> -0500
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>> [nabs-l]
>>>>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
>>>>> into
>>>>> >> History, Race
>>>>> >> >>> for
>>>>> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
>>>>> June
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I don't want to
>>>>> friend
>>>>> >> anyone -- but
>>>>> >> >>> I think
>>>>> >> >>>>> this is a terrible
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> idea!
>>>>> Remember the
>>>>> >> ACB split off
>>>>> >> >>> from
>>>>> >> >>>>> the NFB because they
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> thought
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> that we were all
>>>>> wrong,
>>>>> >> did our
>>>>> >> >>> business in
>>>>> >> >>>>> the wrong way etc. I
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> am
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> not going to say
>>>>> that we
>>>>> >> can't learn
>>>>> >> >>> anything
>>>>> >> >>>>> from the ACB, but
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> not a
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> history
>>>>> lesson. I
>>>>> >> was at a ACb
>>>>> >> >>> National
>>>>> >> >>>>> Convention a few years
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ago
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- and heard the
>>>>> NFB
>>>>> >> attacked openly
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> >> >>>>> indirectly. These
>>>>> folks
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> are
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> not our
>>>>> friends. We
>>>>> >> can work
>>>>> >> >>> jointly at
>>>>> >> >>>>> times, and should, and I
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> don't think we
>>>>> should be
>>>>> >> against
>>>>> >> >>> them, for
>>>>> >> >>>>> the sake of it, as
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> some of
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> my old-timer
>>>>> friends are
>>>>> >> -- but a
>>>>> >> >>> joint
>>>>> >> >>>>> conference call on
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> consideration of
>>>>> a change
>>>>> >> to a NFB
>>>>> >> >>> division
>>>>> >> >>>>> bylaw is going to
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> far!
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM
>>>>> 6/19/2011, you
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have a friend
>>>>> in the
>>>>> >> Council that
>>>>> >> >>> I will
>>>>> >> >>>>> see Monday night, so I
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> plan to give this
>>>>> idea to
>>>>> >> him and
>>>>> >> >>> ask if he
>>>>> >> >>>>> knows someone in the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Council that
>>>>> would be
>>>>> >> knowledgeable
>>>>> >> >>> enough
>>>>> >> >>>>> and willing to attend
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> this call on
>>>>> behalf of the
>>>>> >> Council
>>>>> >> >>> as an
>>>>> >> >>>>> expert on their history.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Maybe it would be
>>>>> better
>>>>> >> if someone
>>>>> >> >>> like me
>>>>> >> >>>>> moderated. Keep in
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> mind
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> that I did
>>>>> volunteer, but
>>>>> >> I'm not
>>>>> >> >>> degrading
>>>>> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm just
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> using myself as
>>>>> an example
>>>>> >> here.
>>>>> >> >>> I'm a
>>>>> >> >>>>> member of the Federation,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> but I'm not a
>>>>> hard-line
>>>>> >> "NFB is
>>>>> >> >>> good, ACB
>>>>> >> >>>>> bad" person, so I
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> show any bias to
>>>>> NFB or
>>>>> >> ACB. I
>>>>> >> >>> also am
>>>>> >> >>>>> not currently a
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> (due-paying)
>>>>> member of
>>>>> >> NABS, so I'm
>>>>> >> >>> not a
>>>>> >> >>>>> leader in it of
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> course.
>>>>> That way, we
>>>>> >> wouldn't have
>>>>> >> >>> any
>>>>> >> >>>>> bias.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I think it would
>>>>> be easy
>>>>> >> to have it
>>>>> >> >>> jointly
>>>>> >> >>>>> attended even if it's
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> official NABS
>>>>> call.
>>>>> >> If we have a
>>>>> >> >>>>> representative of ACB on the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> call,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> we could probably
>>>>> easily
>>>>> >> get other
>>>>> >> >>> members of
>>>>> >> >>>>> ACB on the call to
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> kind of back up
>>>>> or add to
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> >>> guest
>>>>> >> >>>>> speaker's information.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
>>>>> never a
>>>>> >> loss of
>>>>> >> >>> vision!"
>>>>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
>>>>> about Camp
>>>>> >> Abilities
>>>>> >> >>> and find a
>>>>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> just click on
>>>>> this link to
>>>>> >> their
>>>>> >> >>> national Web
>>>>> >> >>>>> site:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
>>>>> >> Foundation helps
>>>>> >> >>> visually
>>>>> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> have the ability
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> confidently say
>>>>> >> >>> "I can!"
>>>>> >> >>>>> How? Click on this
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> link
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> to learn more and
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> contribute:
>>>>> >> >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent from my
>>>>> BrailleNote
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original
>>>>> Message
>>>>> >> -----
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> From: Kirt
>>>>> Manwaring
>>>>> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
>>>>> Association
>>>>> >> of Blind
>>>>> >> >>> Students
>>>>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun,
>>>>> 19 Jun
>>>>> >> 2011 00:45:08
>>>>> >> >>> -0600
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>> [nabs-l]
>>>>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
>>>>> into
>>>>> >> History, Race
>>>>> >> >>> for
>>>>> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
>>>>> June
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Carley,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>>>>> two
>>>>> >> organizations don't
>>>>> >> >>>>> really claim to be "friends"
>>>>> as
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> such-it
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> seems like now
>>>>> they just
>>>>> >> mostly
>>>>> >> >>> ignore each
>>>>> >> >>>>> other, work jointly
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> when
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> their agendas
>>>>> converge and
>>>>> >> play
>>>>> >> >>> politics when
>>>>> >> >>>>> they don't. Maybe
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> they
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> aren't enemies,
>>>>> but the
>>>>> >> official
>>>>> >> >>>>> organizations don't really
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> advertise
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> themselves as
>>>>> friends.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> While it
>>>>> >> would be great to
>>>>> >> >>>>> have people from both
>>>>> organizations
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> participate in a
>>>>> joint
>>>>> >> call, I don't
>>>>> >> >>> see it
>>>>> >> >>>>> happening. Here's
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> hoping
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> though, I
>>>>> guess It's
>>>>> >> certainly a
>>>>> >> >>> nice
>>>>> >> >>>>> thought-although, if the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> call
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> were to have
>>>>> presentations
>>>>> >> from
>>>>> >> >>> members of
>>>>> >> >>>>> both organizations, it
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> probably should
>>>>> be jointly
>>>>> >> moderated
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> >> >>>>> attended. The NFB (or
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> probably even
>>>>> NABS) would,
>>>>> >> I'm
>>>>> >> >>> betting, not
>>>>> >> >>>>> be inclined to go
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> there.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> So maybe we'll
>>>>> have better
>>>>> >> luck
>>>>> >> >>> going through
>>>>> >> >>>>> unnoficial channels
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> setting this up
>>>>> on our
>>>>> >> own? No
>>>>> >> >>> need to
>>>>> >> >>>>> make it an official event
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> for
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> either the
>>>>> Federation or
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> >>> Council-I think
>>>>> >> >>>>> it's safe to say
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> idea was doomed
>>>>> to fail
>>>>> >> before it
>>>>> >> >>> was brought
>>>>> >> >>>>> up.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris
>>>>> Nusbaum
>>>>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> And, as I said
>>>>> before, I
>>>>> >> would be
>>>>> >> >>> very
>>>>> >> >>>>> willing to moderate this
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> call.
>>>>> Please keep me
>>>>> >> posted!
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
>>>>> never a
>>>>> >> loss of
>>>>> >> >>> vision!"
>>>>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
>>>>> about Camp
>>>>> >> Abilities
>>>>> >> >>> and find a
>>>>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> you, just click
>>>>> on this
>>>>> >> link to
>>>>> >> >>> their
>>>>> >> >>>>> national Web site:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
>>>>> >> Foundation helps
>>>>> >> >>> visually
>>>>> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
>>>>> ability
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> >>> confidently say
>>>>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> on this link to
>>>>> learn more
>>>>> >> and to
>>>>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
>>>>> from my
>>>>> >> BrailleNote
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> >> Original Message
>>>>> >> >>>>> -----
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> From: Ignasi
>>>>> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
>>>>> Association
>>>>> >> of Blind
>>>>> >> >>> Students
>>>>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat,
>>>>> 18 Jun
>>>>> >> 2011 18:51:04
>>>>> >> >>> -0400
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>> [nabs-l]
>>>>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
>>>>> into
>>>>> >> History, Race
>>>>> >> >>> for
>>>>> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
>>>>> June
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> This call would
>>>>> be very
>>>>> >> interesting
>>>>> >> >>>>> indeed. If
>>>>> representatives
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> from both
>>>>> organizations
>>>>> >> are willing
>>>>> >> >>> to
>>>>> >> >>>>> participate, it can really
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> be productive in
>>>>> many
>>>>> >> ways.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011,
>>>>> at 1:46
>>>>> >> PM, Carly
>>>>> >> >>> Mihalakis
>>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Good
>>>>> morning,
>>>>> >> list,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> A
>>>>> few days
>>>>> >> ago, someone on
>>>>> >> >>>>> the NABS list suggested
>>>>> a
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> conference
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> call bringing
>>>>> clarity to a
>>>>> >> younger
>>>>> >> >>>>> generation. What,
>>>>> exactly, is
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> the history of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> ideological
>>>>> >> >>> parting of
>>>>> >> >>>>> ways, between the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Federation and
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> Council? Does
>>>>> >> >>> anybody know
>>>>> >> >>>>> today, the history
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> of this division
>>>>> or is it
>>>>> >> a product
>>>>> >> >>> of sheer
>>>>> >> >>>>> habit as is the case
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> with Republicans
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> Democrats? If
>>>>> >> >>> such a
>>>>> >> >>>>> meeting of both
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> entities were to
>>>>> take
>>>>> >> place, There
>>>>> >> >>> ought to
>>>>> >> >>>>> be representation of
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> both
>>>>> organizations
>>>>> >> so that a
>>>>> >> >>> wholistic
>>>>> >> >>>>> portrait of this issue
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> can be
>>>>> exercised.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>>>>> its split
>>>>> >> from the
>>>>> >> >>>>> ACB. This seems like a
>>>>> >> productive and
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> enlightening
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> >> but I
>>>>> >> >>> wonder, if the
>>>>> >> >>>>> Federation and the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> council claim to
>>>>> be
>>>>> >> friends, should
>>>>> >> >>> there not
>>>>> >> >>>>> be representation
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> from
>>>>> >> both sides, identifying
>>>>> >> >>>>> their position and
>>>>> whereabouts
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> they stand, in
>>>>> this? At
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ----
>>>>> Original
>>>>> >> Message
>>>>> >> >>>>> ------
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Joe
>>>>> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> >>>>> (by way of David
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> >> >>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
>>>>> Our Eyes
>>>>> >> interview,
>>>>> >> >>> Ride
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> into History,Race
>>>>> for
>>>>> >> >>> Independence,
>>>>> >> >>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
>>>>> EDT
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>>>>> sent:
>>>>> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>>>>> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Save
>>>>> The
>>>>> >> Date:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On
>>>>> Wednesday,
>>>>> >> June 22,at
>>>>> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our
>>>>> Eyes host,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Ruffalo will
>>>>> >> interview
>>>>> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
>>>>> >> Imagination
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Fund,
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Race
>>>>> for
>>>>> >> Independence.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>>>>> interview
>>>>> >> will highlight
>>>>> >> >>>>> current and past grants
>>>>> awarded to
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> state
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> affiliates
>>>>> >> and chapters.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In
>>>>> addition,
>>>>> >> featured will
>>>>> >> >>>>> be Imaginators who will share
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> methods
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>>> make the
>>>>> >> ask to make a
>>>>> >> >>>>> difference in changing what
>>>>> it means
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> to be blind.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Special
>>>>> >> highlight of the
>>>>> >> >>>>> interview will be the
>>>>> announcement of
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> the 30
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> winners who
>>>>> >> will have the
>>>>> >> >>>>> opportunity to be driven by a
>>>>> blind
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> driver
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> while
>>>>> >> attending
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>>>>> national
>>>>> >> convention in
>>>>> >> >>>>> Orlando.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Witness the
>>>>> >> opportunity to
>>>>> >> >>>>> ride into history!
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>>>>> watch and
>>>>> >> listen to the
>>>>> >> >>>>> interview, please visit the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> following:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> For
>>>>> JAWS
>>>>> >> users and mobile
>>>>> >> >>>>> phone users, please visit
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> following:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> m.thruoureyes.org
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> Other options
>>>>> >> to watch or
>>>>> >> >>>>> listen can be found on the
>>>>> sites
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> listed above.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>>>>> call in
>>>>> >> with comments or
>>>>> >> >>>>> questions, please dial the
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> following:
>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 1
>>>>> 888 572
>>>>> >> 0141
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>>>>> >> Make a
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