[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Thu Jun 23 03:18:54 UTC 2011
That's the problem!
They should have thought about it.
Now, it's left up to us.
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Different textures, different sizes, I honestly don't know either.
> That's why this is such a problem. If we were a smaller country, or
> if we'd thought about this 25 years ago, I bet it would be a lot
> easier..
>
> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> What else can we do, to make it identifiable?
>> We've discussed this to death, on the other list.
>> Making the paper currency have different textures may be okay.
>> The Braille, though isn't the answer.
>> I don't know what else to do.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Kirt,
>>> You and Josh have valid points, but I have even a better solution! Lets
>>> make
>>> the currency identifable so that a blind person would not have to find a
>>> friend or rely on technology to identify their money. Don't we stress
>>> independence? Well having to ask someone how much money you have or
>>> dependenting on technology to identify your money is not independence.
>>> The
>>> folding method is fine if you know how much money you have.
>>> Anmol
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
>>>> Ride
>>>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 4:00 PM
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that
>>>> doesn't cost a
>>>> thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you
>>>> what your bills are
>>>> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
>>>> in the
>>>> future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going
>>>> to fit in to
>>>> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
>>>> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not
>>>> ideal maybe but, hey,
>>>> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
>>>> something with
>>>> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40
>>>> cell. I used a
>>>> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
>>>> for my first
>>>> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > This is what Allan Ramos told me.
>>>> > He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
>>>> > He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
>>>> Blind,) (not to
>>>> > be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
>>>> > I'm going on what he said.
>>>> > Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew
>>>> Jackson.
>>>> > Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his
>>>> book, "Growth."
>>>> > I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative,
>>>> but we don't have
>>>> > such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small
>>>> town.
>>>> > It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB
>>>> to push the
>>>> > companies that make accessible technologies, to make
>>>> their technology
>>>> > affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
>>>> > That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge,
>>>> (for example.)
>>>> > They will make this car, but they have to charge an
>>>> obseen amount of
>>>> > money, for it.
>>>> > I'm not going to be able to afford it.
>>>> > I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille
>>>> display, and my
>>>> > state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
>>>> > I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,)
>>>> the IBill costs $100.
>>>> > The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is
>>>> as small as a
>>>> > giga-pet.
>>>> > I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
>>>> > Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
>>>> > Make it affordable!
>>>> > Blessings, Joshua
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Josh,
>>>> >> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but
>>>> not realistic. Can you
>>>> >> see
>>>> >> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper
>>>> currency has been and will
>>>> >> always be a fabric of this country as it is in
>>>> every country. Which
>>>> >> country
>>>> >> has only coins and know paper currency?
>>>> >> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please
>>>> correct me, but I do not
>>>> >> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.
>>>> From my understanding
>>>> >> they
>>>> >> have been advocating a form of paper currency
>>>> which is accessible and
>>>> >> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most
>>>> afordable means to make paper
>>>> >> currency accessible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anmol
>>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>>>> never make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>>>> is vague, like a breeze
>>>> >> among flowers.
>>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>> Threw Our Eyes interview,
>>>> >>> Ride
>>>> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>>>> mailing list"
>>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
>>>> >>> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
>>>> >>> accessible currency.
>>>> >>> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
>>>> >>> That isn't going to work.
>>>> >>> I have the answer to the problem.
>>>> >>> First of all, it's political.
>>>> >>> I'm tired of people saying that the
>>>> conservatives aren't on
>>>> >>> the side
>>>> >>> of the blind.
>>>> >>> When it comes to currency, they are.
>>>> >>> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to
>>>> the gold
>>>> >>> standard?
>>>> >>> Coins are the answer to the problem.
>>>> >>> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
>>>> >>> We can't do this with paper currency.
>>>> >>> That solves the problems with our currency.
>>>> >>> This would help everyone, including us.
>>>> >>> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
>>>> >>> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
>>>> >>> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind
>>>> people,) We can
>>>> >>> identify
>>>> >>> coins by their texture.
>>>> >>> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
>>>> >>> Yes, but is it worth it?
>>>> >>> Yes!
>>>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>> > Jessica,
>>>> >>> > Good point. In addition, I would much
>>>> rather a blind
>>>> >>> person to feel mobil
>>>> >>> > even if they don't have good mobility
>>>> skills and
>>>> >>> frankly I would rather have
>>>> >>> > audible street lights then to see a blind
>>>> person get
>>>> >>> killed because they
>>>> >>> > could not figure out how the traffic
>>>> goes.
>>>> >>> > Anmol
>>>> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and
>>>> they never
>>>> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at
>>>> times; but it is
>>>> >>> vague, like a breeze
>>>> >>> > among flowers.
>>>> >>> > Hellen Keller
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>>>> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>> >>> >> into History, Race for Independence,
>>>> Wed. June 22,
>>>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind
>>>> Students
>>>> >>> mailing list"
>>>> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01
>>>> PM
>>>> >>> >> There are certain types of
>>>> >>> >> intersections where no matter how
>>>> long you stand
>>>> >>> there and
>>>> >>> >> listen to traffic you will never hear
>>>> a good cycle
>>>> >>> so in
>>>> >>> >> those cases I actually support aps.
>>>> Just keep that
>>>> >>> in mind
>>>> >>> >> when someone talks about every
>>>> intersection being
>>>> >>> crossable
>>>> >>> >> by listening to traffic.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt
>>>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> > Anmol,
>>>> >>> >> > It's a nice thought.
>>>> Maybe it'll
>>>> >>> be
>>>> >>> >> possible, some day. Never say
>>>> >>> >> > never, ri9ght?
>>>> >>> >> > But here's the
>>>> thing. The two
>>>> >>> >> organizations have evolved two
>>>> >>> >> > separate philosophies and
>>>> mindsets. I'm
>>>> >>> doing
>>>> >>> >> something really bad
>>>> >>> >> > and generalizing. If
>>>> anyone who knows
>>>> >>> more than
>>>> >>> >> I do wants to correct
>>>> >>> >> > me here, feel free.
>>>> >>> >> > The stance the ACB seems
>>>> to take more
>>>> >>> often than
>>>> >>> >> not is to make the
>>>> >>> >> > environment more accessible for
>>>> us.
>>>> >>> This is
>>>> >>> >> evidenced by their
>>>> >>> >> > support for audible street
>>>> signals (which
>>>> >>> make a lot
>>>> >>> >> of sense to me,
>>>> >>> >> > I'm not really convinced one way
>>>> or the other
>>>> >>> on that
>>>> >>> >> one yet),
>>>> >>> >> > tactile currency, descriptive
>>>> movies, the
>>>> >>> provisions
>>>> >>> >> in the ADA to
>>>> >>> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st
>>>> century
>>>> >>> communications
>>>> >>> >> act, their
>>>> >>> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd,
>>>> universal
>>>> >>> design in
>>>> >>> >> technology, etc.
>>>> >>> >> > They also use lots of their
>>>> resources to
>>>> >>> fight
>>>> >>> >> descrimination, at
>>>> >>> >> > least it seems that way to me.
>>>> >>> >> > The NFB, on the other
>>>> hand, seems to
>>>> >>> more often
>>>> >>> >> than not advocate us
>>>> >>> >> > adapting to the
>>>> environment. This is
>>>> >>> evidenced
>>>> >>> >> by the strict
>>>> >>> >> > standards of training centers,
>>>> pushing
>>>> >>> braille,
>>>> >>> >> opposition to the
>>>> >>> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy
>>>> of relying on
>>>> >>> traffic
>>>> >>> >> rather than
>>>> >>> >> > audible signals (which makes a
>>>> lot of sense
>>>> >>> to me),
>>>> >>> >> our philosophy
>>>> >>> >> > that with the right training and
>>>> opportunity
>>>> >>> we can
>>>> >>> >> compete on an
>>>> >>> >> > equal footing, the idea of the
>>>> blind driver
>>>> >>> challenge,
>>>> >>> >> etc. Of course
>>>> >>> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making
>>>> changes in
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >> environment (technology
>>>> >>> >> > bill of rights, Help America
>>>> Vote Act, and
>>>> >>> the ADA
>>>> >>> >> which we also
>>>> >>> >> > supported), and the ACB does
>>>> advocate for
>>>> >>> quality
>>>> >>> >> independence
>>>> >>> >> > training/O&M. But,
>>>> those are the
>>>> >>> rough
>>>> >>> >> philosophies of the two
>>>> >>> >> > organizations, if we're going by
>>>> their
>>>> >>> records.
>>>> >>> >> Is the ACB wrong?
>>>> >>> >> > No, I don't think so, but the
>>>> NFB is more of
>>>> >>> a fit
>>>> >>> >> with my vision of
>>>> >>> >> > blindness. I just think
>>>> thee two
>>>> >>> separate
>>>> >>> >> methodoligies willkeep us
>>>> >>> >> > from ever uniting as one
>>>> group...and that's
>>>> >>> ok.
>>>> >>> >> We all have the
>>>> >>> >> > right, even the obligation to
>>>> advocate for
>>>> >>> ourselves
>>>> >>> >> and those we
>>>> >>> >> > represent. The ACB does it
>>>> their way,
>>>> >>> we do it
>>>> >>> >> ours. Sometimes there
>>>> >>> >> > is overlap, lots of times our
>>>> philosophies
>>>> >>> take us in
>>>> >>> >> different
>>>> >>> >> > directions and put us on
>>>> opposite sides of
>>>> >>> important
>>>> >>> >> issues. When our
>>>> >>> >> > aims are the same (or similar),
>>>> we need to
>>>> >>> work
>>>> >>> >> together and present a
>>>> >>> >> > united front. When we are
>>>> at odds
>>>> >>> (which we
>>>> >>> >> often are, the two
>>>> >>> >> > organizations really are very
>>>> different), we
>>>> >>> both have
>>>> >>> >> the right to
>>>> >>> >> > push our separate agendas and
>>>> attempt to get
>>>> >>> our
>>>> >>> >> policies implimented.
>>>> >>> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we
>>>> win, that's
>>>> >>> >> politics. We don't have
>>>> >>> >> > to be bitter about it and, on
>>>> the personal
>>>> >>> level, we
>>>> >>> >> can still be good
>>>> >>> >> > friends even when our politics
>>>> are at odds.
>>>> >>> >> > Just my thoughts,
>>>> >>> >> > Kirt
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >> Kirt,
>>>> >>> >> >> You bring some vary valid
>>>> points, and yes
>>>> >>> we have
>>>> >>> >> beaten the
>>>> >>> >> >> democrats/republicans
>>>> analogy to
>>>> >>> death but
>>>> >>> >> it keeps coming up as a
>>>> >>> >> >> comparison, so I will just
>>>> say one thing
>>>> >>> about
>>>> >>> >> this. I may have already said
>>>> >>> >> >> this before on the list, but
>>>> please
>>>> >>> furgive me if
>>>> >>> >> I have. The blind
>>>> >>> >> >> community is a to small of a
>>>> community to
>>>> >>> be
>>>> >>> >> divided on partizen lines like
>>>> >>> >> >> democrats and republicans,
>>>> and our
>>>> >>> challenges are
>>>> >>> >> to great to be divided
>>>> >>> >> >> like democrats and
>>>> republicans. Sure
>>>> >>> there will be
>>>> >>> >> differences between
>>>> >>> >> >> members of the ACB and
>>>> members of the NFB
>>>> >>> on how
>>>> >>> >> business should be
>>>> >>> >> >> conducted, but honestly
>>>> there differences
>>>> >>> between
>>>> >>> >> members of each
>>>> >>> >> >> organization on how their
>>>> organization
>>>> >>> should do
>>>> >>> >> business.
>>>> >>> >> >> True there were disagreement
>>>> on how
>>>> >>> business
>>>> >>> >> should and leadership issues
>>>> >>> >> >> causing the split between
>>>> the NFB and
>>>> >>> ACB, I
>>>> >>> >> consider the leadership issues
>>>> >>> >> >> to be pitty differences.
>>>> Often when one
>>>> >>> candidate
>>>> >>> >> loses, they and their
>>>> >>> >> >> supporters go and form their
>>>> on
>>>> >>> organization or
>>>> >>> >> chapter. This happened at my
>>>> >>> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a
>>>> result we have
>>>> >>> two NFB
>>>> >>> >> chapters in a small town.
>>>> >>> >> >> Now some may consider this
>>>> to be a good
>>>> >>> thing, but
>>>> >>> >> think about how much more
>>>> >>> >> >> we can achieve if we were
>>>> one NFB chapter
>>>> >>> in
>>>> >>> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
>>>> >>> >> >> fund raising and my
>>>> volunteers for
>>>> >>> events. In
>>>> >>> >> addition, these types of
>>>> >>> >> >> childish arguements causes
>>>> many blind
>>>> >>> people who
>>>> >>> >> otherwise may be involved
>>>> >>> >> >> in a blind organization to
>>>> be a "fense
>>>> >>> sitters".
>>>> >>> >> Now using this analogy to
>>>> >>> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have
>>>> near the funds
>>>> >>> that NFB
>>>> >>> >> has, but they are not
>>>> >>> >> >> poor eather. Their
>>>> attendence is not as
>>>> >>> large at
>>>> >>> >> the conventions, but it is
>>>> >>> >> >> not small eather. Think if
>>>> both of these
>>>> >>> >> organizations were together how
>>>> >>> >> >> much more money we would
>>>> have to do
>>>> >>> policy that
>>>> >>> >> each organization does or
>>>> >>> >> >> the advocacy work that each
>>>> >>> organization
>>>> >>> >> does, and think about how much
>>>> >>> >> >> larger the convention would
>>>> be. We would
>>>> >>> pack two
>>>> >>> >> hotels full or near full.
>>>> >>> >> >> In addition, think about how
>>>> much venders
>>>> >>> would be
>>>> >>> >> giving out in prizes
>>>> >>> >> >> because now insteading
>>>> having to spend
>>>> >>> money to
>>>> >>> >> send their workers to two
>>>> >>> >> >> convention, they will only
>>>> have to send
>>>> >>> their
>>>> >>> >> workers to one convention. In
>>>> >>> >> >> addition, most venders give
>>>> out big
>>>> >>> prizes at each
>>>> >>> >> convention and if there
>>>> >>> >> >> was only one convention,
>>>> they can give
>>>> >>> two
>>>> >>> >> prizes.
>>>> >>> >> >> However, you are right in
>>>> that
>>>> >>> realistically the
>>>> >>> >> two organizations will not
>>>> >>> >> >> merge any time soon.
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >> best wishes,
>>>> >>> >> >> Anmol
>>>> >>> >> >> I seldom think about my
>>>> limitations, and
>>>> >>> they
>>>> >>> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> >>> >> >> there is just a touch of
>>>> yearning at
>>>> >>> times; but it
>>>> >>> >> is vague, like a breeze
>>>> >>> >> >> among flowers.
>>>> >>> >> >> Hellen Keller
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
>>>> Manwaring
>>>> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring
>>>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>> >>> >> >>> into History, Race for
>>>> Independence,
>>>> >>> Wed. June
>>>> >>> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> >> >>> To: "National
>>>> Association of Blind
>>>> >>> Students
>>>> >>> >> mailing list"
>>>> >>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21,
>>>> 2011, 2:51
>>>> >>> PM
>>>> >>> >> >>> Anmol,
>>>> >>> >> >>> I don't
>>>> really see a
>>>> >>> merger
>>>> >>> >> happening any time soon,
>>>> >>> >> >>> nor would I
>>>> >>> >> >>> want it to. We've
>>>> all beaten
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >> democrat/republican
>>>> >>> >> >>> analogy to
>>>> >>> >> >>> death...but imagine
>>>> Barack Obama and
>>>> >>> Mitt
>>>> >>> >> Romney in the
>>>> >>> >> >>> same political
>>>> >>> >> >>> party. It just
>>>> wouldn't work.
>>>> >>> >> There are huge
>>>> >>> >> >>> differences. It
>>>> >>> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB
>>>> better for
>>>> >>> everyone, but
>>>> >>> >> it makes the
>>>> >>> >> >>> NFB better
>>>> >>> >> >>> for me. I have
>>>> lots of respect
>>>> >>> for my
>>>> >>> >> friends in the
>>>> >>> >> >>> ACB who stand up
>>>> >>> >> >>> and fight for their
>>>> agenda.
>>>> >>> Lots of the
>>>> >>> >> times, it's
>>>> >>> >> >>> the same as mine.
>>>> >>> >> >>> When it's not, we can
>>>> talk without
>>>> >>> being
>>>> >>> >> jackasses to each
>>>> >>> >> >>> other and,
>>>> >>> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the
>>>> disagreement
>>>> >>> actually
>>>> >>> >> strengthens
>>>> >>> >> >>> our
>>>> >>> >> >>> friendship.
>>>> >>> >> >>> I say
>>>> diversity is
>>>> >>> good,
>>>> >>> >> competition is good, we
>>>> >>> >> >>> need a free market
>>>> >>> >> >>> of ideas. I
>>>> respect ACB and the
>>>> >>> sincere
>>>> >>> >> people there
>>>> >>> >> >>> trying to make
>>>> >>> >> >>> the lives of blind
>>>> people
>>>> >>> better. I
>>>> >>> >> happen to find
>>>> >>> >> >>> the Federation
>>>> >>> >> >>> philosophy and method
>>>> more meaningful
>>>> >>> for
>>>> >>> >> me. I want
>>>> >>> >> >>> to understand
>>>> >>> >> >>> the split. From
>>>> the little bit
>>>> >>> of
>>>> >>> >> studying I've done,
>>>> >>> >> >>> I don't really
>>>> >>> >> >>> think it was petty
>>>> personal
>>>> >>> differences but
>>>> >>> >> rather
>>>> >>> >> >>> differing
>>>> >>> >> >>> philosophies about
>>>> methodology and
>>>> >>> leadership
>>>> >>> >> that drove
>>>> >>> >> >>> the two
>>>> >>> >> >>> groups to
>>>> separate. We can be
>>>> >>> different
>>>> >>> >> without being
>>>> >>> >> >>> petty. We can
>>>> >>> >> >>> disagree without being
>>>> bigots.
>>>> >>> When our
>>>> >>> >> two
>>>> >>> >> >>> organizations come down
>>>> >>> >> >>> on opposite sides of
>>>> important
>>>> >>> issues, as we
>>>> >>> >> often do, we
>>>> >>> >> >>> need not be
>>>> >>> >> >>> arrogant or
>>>> self-rightious because we
>>>> >>> think
>>>> >>> >> we're
>>>> >>> >> >>> right. The fact
>>>> is,
>>>> >>> >> >>> we disagree. And I
>>>> think the
>>>> >>> >> disagreements are too
>>>> >>> >> >>> central to our
>>>> >>> >> >>> respective organizations
>>>> for us to
>>>> >>> ever become
>>>> >>> >> one.
>>>> >>> >> >>> But that doesn't
>>>> >>> >> >>> mean we can't be
>>>> friends, especially
>>>> >>> on a
>>>> >>> >> personal level.
>>>> >>> >> >>> Best,
>>>> >>> >> >>> Kirt
>>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>> >>> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia
>>>> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>> Kirt,
>>>> >>> >> >>>> You are bringing up
>>>> some vary
>>>> >>> good
>>>> >>> >> points...
>>>> >>> >> >>> Understanding the
>>>> history of
>>>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is
>>>> an import part
>>>> >>> in the
>>>> >>> >> history in
>>>> >>> >> >>> the blind movement and
>>>> >>> >> >>>> an important part in
>>>> the history
>>>> >>> of two
>>>> >>> >> organizations.
>>>> >>> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
>>>> >>> >> >>>> my oppinion both
>>>> organizations
>>>> >>> bring value
>>>> >>> >> and have
>>>> >>> >> >>> and continue to make a
>>>> >>> >> >>>> difference for blind
>>>> people
>>>> >>> across America
>>>> >>> >> on a daily
>>>> >>> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
>>>> >>> >> >>>> that this split
>>>> happened and just
>>>> >>> maybe
>>>> >>> >> the next
>>>> >>> >> >>> generation of blind
>>>> >>> >> >>>> individuals our
>>>> generation or
>>>> >>> those who
>>>> >>> >> are younger
>>>> >>> >> >>> then can bring the two
>>>> >>> >> >>>> organizations
>>>> together once
>>>> >>> again. Now
>>>> >>> >> this is just my
>>>> >>> >> >>> translation and my
>>>> >>> >> >>>> oppinion, but
>>>> it seems to
>>>> >>> me that
>>>> >>> >> the NFB ACB
>>>> >>> >> >>> split happened over
>>>> pitty
>>>> >>> >> >>>> differences and two
>>>> individuals
>>>> >>> with
>>>> >>> >> different ideas
>>>> >>> >> >>> fighting for power. It
>>>> >>> >> >>>> seems to me that the
>>>> hate the
>>>> >>> two
>>>> >>> >> organizations have
>>>> >>> >> >>> towards each other is
>>>> >>> >> >>>> not as strong
>>>> amongest this
>>>> >>> generation.
>>>> >>> >> Infact many
>>>> >>> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
>>>> >>> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are
>>>> friends in
>>>> >>> life and
>>>> >>> >> attack on the
>>>> >>> >> >>> other organization is
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>> usually not
>>>> >>> allow on each
>>>> >>> >> organization's mailing
>>>> >>> >> >>> list.
>>>> >>> >> >>>> Dave, you are right
>>>> that ACB does
>>>> >>> not have
>>>> >>> >> the same
>>>> >>> >> >>> amount of people
>>>> >>> >> >>>> attending its'
>>>> convention, but
>>>> >>> their
>>>> >>> >> attendence is not
>>>> >>> >> >>> small eather. I would
>>>> >>> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend
>>>> the ACB
>>>> >>> convention and
>>>> >>> >> all the major
>>>> >>> >> >>> venders who attend
>>>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB convention
>>>> attend the
>>>> >>> ACB
>>>> >>> >> convention. There
>>>> >>> >> >>> are also quite a few
>>>> >>> >> >>>> young people who
>>>> attend the ACB
>>>> >>> >> convention.
>>>> >>> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its'
>>>> business
>>>> >>> different then
>>>> >>> >> NFB, but
>>>> >>> >> >>> thats why they are a
>>>> >>> >> >>>> different
>>>> organization. However,
>>>> >>> this does
>>>> >>> >> not make
>>>> >>> >> >>> them any worse or
>>>> better
>>>> >>> >> >>>> then the NFB.
>>>> >>> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and
>>>> it would be
>>>> >>> great if
>>>> >>> >> we keep the
>>>> >>> >> >>> attacks on each
>>>> >>> >> >>>> organization to as
>>>> less as
>>>> >>> possible.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>> Anmol
>>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>> I seldom think about
>>>> my
>>>> >>> limitations, and
>>>> >>> >> they never
>>>> >>> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> >>> >> >>>> there is just a
>>>> touch of yearning
>>>> >>> at
>>>> >>> >> times; but it is
>>>> >>> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
>>>> >>> >> >>>> among flowers.
>>>> >>> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
>>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11,
>>>> Kirt
>>>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> From: Kirt
>>>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> [nabs-l]
>>>> >>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>>>> >>> >> >>> Our Eyes interview,
>>>> Ride
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> into History,
>>>> Race for
>>>> >>> Independence,
>>>> >>> >> Wed. June 22,
>>>> >>> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> To: "National
>>>> Association of
>>>> >>> Blind
>>>> >>> >> Students
>>>> >>> >> >>> mailing list"
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday,
>>>> June 21, 2011,
>>>> >>> 12:25
>>>> >>> >> PM
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Dave,
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>> How long ago
>>>> >>> was
>>>> >>> >> this? Things could've
>>>> >>> >> >>> changed
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> since you last
>>>> went
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> if it's been a
>>>> while, maybe?
>>>> >>> >> And, with respect,
>>>> >>> >> >>> this
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> is a big deal
>>>> to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> a lot of
>>>> us. I know for
>>>> >>> me it's
>>>> >>> >> a lot more than
>>>> >>> >> >>> a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> "small
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> consideration",
>>>> I like to
>>>> >>> know the
>>>> >>> >> past as much as
>>>> >>> >> >>> I can
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> because it
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> shaped the here
>>>> and
>>>> >>> now. I can
>>>> >>> >> read the books
>>>> >>> >> >>> put out
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> by each
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> organization-they probably
>>>> >>> both have
>>>> >>> >> lots of the
>>>> >>> >> >>> truth
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> intermingled
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> with their
>>>> respective
>>>> >>> agendas.
>>>> >>> >> But nothing
>>>> >>> >> >>> beats
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> talking to
>>>> people
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> who have studied
>>>> the issues
>>>> >>> or,
>>>> >>> >> preferably, people
>>>> >>> >> >>> who were
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> actually
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> there.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>> All the
>>>> >>> best,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Kirt
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11,
>>>> David Andrews
>>>> >>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> The two
>>>> biggest things I
>>>> >>> noticed
>>>> >>> >> at an ACB
>>>> >>> >> >>> national
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> convention were
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> that the
>>>> crowd was
>>>> >>> considerably
>>>> >>> >> smaller than
>>>> >>> >> >>> that at a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> NFB convention
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> -- less
>>>> exhibits etc.
>>>> >>> too.
>>>> >>> >> The second
>>>> >>> >> >>> things was
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> that there were
>>>> few
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> young
>>>> persons -- some
>>>> >>> but
>>>> >>> >> noticeably not
>>>> >>> >> >>> very
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> many. One
>>>> of the major
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> things that
>>>> the ACB has
>>>> >>> pushed in
>>>> >>> >> the past is
>>>> >>> >> >>> that it
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> is different
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> from the
>>>> NFB, it does
>>>> >>> things
>>>> >>> >> differently
>>>> >>> >> >>> etc.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> This doesn't
>>>> really
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> matter to
>>>> younger people
>>>> >>> though,
>>>> >>> >> so they have
>>>> >>> >> >>> little
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> reason to join,
>>>> so
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> don't.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> You guys can
>>>> spend lots
>>>> >>> of time on
>>>> >>> >> the
>>>> >>> >> >>> history, and
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> differences if
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> you want --
>>>> but what is
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >> point. It
>>>> >>> >> >>> happened,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> it is over with
>>>> and
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> done.
>>>> Yes we can
>>>> >>> and should
>>>> >>> >> learn from our
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> history, but it
>>>> is just
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> one small
>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> Dave
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM
>>>> 6/20/2011,
>>>> >>> you wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> I do see
>>>> >>> your
>>>> >>> >> point. Those
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> alive at the
>>>> time are not,
>>>> >>> and will
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> probabluy never be
>>>> >>> >> friends. Heck,
>>>> >>> >> >>> getting
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> them to actually
>>>> talk in
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> peace
>>>> would be the
>>>> >>> achievement
>>>> >>> >> of the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> century! if
>>>> >>> such a
>>>> >>> >> call were
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> to
>>>> hypothetically
>>>> >>> happen, how
>>>> >>> >> could we
>>>> >>> >> >>> keep it from
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> opening old
>>>> wounds
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> and
>>>> stoking old
>>>> >>> fires?
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>> On
>>>> 6/20/11, Chris
>>>> >>> Nusbaum
>>>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Our
>>>> joint
>>>> >>> conference call
>>>> >>> >> isn't
>>>> >>> >> >>> associated
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> whatsoever with
>>>> the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> proposition of a
>>>> >>> change in
>>>> >>> >> the NFB
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw. If
>>>> I'm setting
>>>> >>> this
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> up,
>>>> which it
>>>> >>> appears I am,
>>>> >>> >> I didn't
>>>> >>> >> >>> even have
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> the intention
>>>> of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> mentioning that
>>>> >>> >> proposition on the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> call. The
>>>> call's
>>>> >>> purpose is
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>> learn the
>>>> >>> history of
>>>> >>> >> the NFB/ACB,
>>>> >>> >> >>> with a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> little emphasis
>>>> on
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>>>> "civil war"
>>>> >>> period,
>>>> >>> >> from both
>>>> >>> >> >>> sides so we
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> are
>>>> informed. I
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> also
>>>> want this
>>>> >>> call to
>>>> >>> >> start a
>>>> >>> >> >>> discussion on
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> the history of
>>>> our
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> movement and what
>>>> >>> we can
>>>> >>> >> learn from
>>>> >>> >> >>> it, not
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> only as
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Federationists,
>>>> >>> but as
>>>> >>> >> blind
>>>> >>> >> >>> students.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have
>>>> found
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
>>>> ways that we
>>>> >>> can hold
>>>> >>> >> the call
>>>> >>> >> >>> without
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> making it a
>>>> NABS
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> membership call,
>>>> >>> if it is
>>>> >>> >> entirely
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> necessary.
>>>> And as to
>>>> >>> your
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> comments about
>>>> >>> them not
>>>> >>> >> being our
>>>> >>> >> >>> friends,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> then using your
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> argument, the
>>>> >>> Republicans
>>>> >>> >> should not
>>>> >>> >> >>> hear the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Democrats point
>>>> of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> view
>>>> in meetings
>>>> >>> of
>>>> >>> >> Congress, but
>>>> >>> >> >>> the two
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> parties should
>>>> be
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> separated from
>>>> >>> each other
>>>> >>> >> for fear
>>>> >>> >> >>> of their
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> own side being
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> attacked.
>>>> >>> We can
>>>> >>> >> keep our same
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> opinions, and
>>>> probably many
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Federationists
>>>> >>> and Council
>>>> >>> >> members
>>>> >>> >> >>> who attend
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> this call will.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
>>>> is just a
>>>> >>> way that we
>>>> >>> >> can be
>>>> >>> >> >>> more
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> informed when
>>>> forming
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> these opinions.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
>>>> loss of sight,
>>>> >>> never a
>>>> >>> >> loss of
>>>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
>>>> motto)
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>>>> learn more
>>>> >>> about Camp
>>>> >>> >> Abilities
>>>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
>>>> just click
>>>> >>> on this
>>>> >>> >> link to
>>>> >>> >> >>> their
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
>>>> site:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>>>> I C.A.N.
>>>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>>>> >>> >> >>> visually
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
>>>> in
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Maryland have the
>>>> >>> ability
>>>> >>> >> to
>>>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
>>>> Click
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
>>>> this link to
>>>> >>> learn more
>>>> >>> >> and to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from
>>>> >>> >> my BrailleNote
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> -----
>>>> >>> >> Original Message -----
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> From: David
>>>> >>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
>>>> National
>>>> >>> Association
>>>> >>> >> of Blind
>>>> >>> >> >>> Students
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>>>> sent: Sun,
>>>> >>> 19 Jun
>>>> >>> >> 2011 20:39:01
>>>> >>> >> >>> -0500
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> >>> [nabs-l]
>>>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> interview,Ride
>>>> >>> into
>>>> >>> >> History, Race
>>>> >>> >> >>> for
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
>>>> Wed.
>>>> >>> June
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
>>>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Chris:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>>>> don't want to
>>>> >>> friend
>>>> >>> >> anyone -- but
>>>> >>> >> >>> I think
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> this is a
>>>> terrible
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> idea!
>>>> >>> Remember the
>>>> >>> >> ACB split off
>>>> >>> >> >>> from
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> the NFB because
>>>> they
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> thought
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>>>> we were all
>>>> >>> wrong,
>>>> >>> >> did our
>>>> >>> >> >>> business in
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> the wrong way
>>>> etc. I
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> am
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
>>>> going to say
>>>> >>> that we
>>>> >>> >> can't learn
>>>> >>> >> >>> anything
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> from the ACB,
>>>> but
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
>>>> a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> history
>>>> >>> lesson. I
>>>> >>> >> was at a ACb
>>>> >>> >> >>> National
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Convention a few
>>>> years
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ago
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> --
>>>> and heard the
>>>> >>> NFB
>>>> >>> >> attacked openly
>>>> >>> >> >>> and
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> indirectly. These
>>>> >>> folks
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> are
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
>>>> our
>>>> >>> friends. We
>>>> >>> >> can work
>>>> >>> >> >>> jointly at
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> times, and
>>>> should, and I
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> don't think we
>>>> >>> should be
>>>> >>> >> against
>>>> >>> >> >>> them, for
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> the sake of it,
>>>> as
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
>>>> of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> my
>>>> old-timer
>>>> >>> friends are
>>>> >>> >> -- but a
>>>> >>> >> >>> joint
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> conference call
>>>> on
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> consideration of
>>>> >>> a change
>>>> >>> >> to a NFB
>>>> >>> >> >>> division
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw is going
>>>> to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> far!
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> At
>>>> 12:53 PM
>>>> >>> 6/19/2011, you
>>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Kirt,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>>>> have a friend
>>>> >>> in the
>>>> >>> >> Council that
>>>> >>> >> >>> I will
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> see Monday
>>>> night, so I
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> plan
>>>> to give this
>>>> >>> idea to
>>>> >>> >> him and
>>>> >>> >> >>> ask if he
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> knows someone in
>>>> the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Council that
>>>> >>> would be
>>>> >>> >> knowledgeable
>>>> >>> >> >>> enough
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> and willing to
>>>> attend
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> this
>>>> call on
>>>> >>> behalf of the
>>>> >>> >> Council
>>>> >>> >> >>> as an
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> expert on their
>>>> history.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Maybe it would be
>>>> >>> better
>>>> >>> >> if someone
>>>> >>> >> >>> like me
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> moderated.
>>>> Keep in
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> mind
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>>>> I did
>>>> >>> volunteer, but
>>>> >>> >> I'm not
>>>> >>> >> >>> degrading
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm
>>>> just
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> using myself as
>>>> >>> an example
>>>> >>> >> here.
>>>> >>> >> >>> I'm a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> member of the
>>>> Federation,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> but
>>>> I'm not a
>>>> >>> hard-line
>>>> >>> >> "NFB is
>>>> >>> >> >>> good, ACB
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> bad" person, so
>>>> I
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> show
>>>> any bias to
>>>> >>> NFB or
>>>> >>> >> ACB. I
>>>> >>> >> >>> also am
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> not currently a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> contributing
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> (due-paying)
>>>> >>> member of
>>>> >>> >> NABS, so I'm
>>>> >>> >> >>> not a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> leader in it of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> course.
>>>> >>> That way, we
>>>> >>> >> wouldn't have
>>>> >>> >> >>> any
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> bias.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>>>> think it would
>>>> >>> be easy
>>>> >>> >> to have it
>>>> >>> >> >>> jointly
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> attended even if
>>>> it's
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> an
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> official NABS
>>>> >>> call.
>>>> >>> >> If we have a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> representative
>>>> of ACB on the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> call,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> we
>>>> could probably
>>>> >>> easily
>>>> >>> >> get other
>>>> >>> >> >>> members of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB on the call
>>>> to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> kind
>>>> of back up
>>>> >>> or add to
>>>> >>> >> that
>>>> >>> >> >>> guest
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> speaker's
>>>> information.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
>>>> loss of sight,
>>>> >>> never a
>>>> >>> >> loss of
>>>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
>>>> motto)
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>>>> learn more
>>>> >>> about Camp
>>>> >>> >> Abilities
>>>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> you,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> just
>>>> click on
>>>> >>> this link to
>>>> >>> >> their
>>>> >>> >> >>> national Web
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> site:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>>>> I C.A.N.
>>>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>>>> >>> >> >>> visually
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
>>>> in
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Maryland
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> have
>>>> the ability
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> >> confidently say
>>>> >>> >> >>> "I can!"
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> How? Click on
>>>> this
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> link
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>> learn more and
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> >> contribute:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
>>>> from my
>>>> >>> BrailleNote
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> ----- Original
>>>> >>> Message
>>>> >>> >> -----
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> From: Kirt
>>>> >>> Manwaring
>>>> >>> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
>>>> National
>>>> >>> Association
>>>> >>> >> of Blind
>>>> >>> >> >>> Students
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>>>> sent: Sun,
>>>> >>> 19 Jun
>>>> >>> >> 2011 00:45:08
>>>> >>> >> >>> -0600
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> >>> [nabs-l]
>>>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> interview,Ride
>>>> >>> into
>>>> >>> >> History, Race
>>>> >>> >> >>> for
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
>>>> Wed.
>>>> >>> June
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
>>>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Carley,
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> The
>>>> >>> two
>>>> >>> >> organizations don't
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> really claim to
>>>> be "friends"
>>>> >>> as
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> such-it
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> seems like now
>>>> >>> they just
>>>> >>> >> mostly
>>>> >>> >> >>> ignore each
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> other, work
>>>> jointly
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> when
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> their agendas
>>>> >>> converge and
>>>> >>> >> play
>>>> >>> >> >>> politics when
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> they
>>>> don't. Maybe
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> they
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> aren't enemies,
>>>> >>> but the
>>>> >>> >> official
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> organizations
>>>> don't really
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> advertise
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> themselves as
>>>> >>> friends.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> While it
>>>> >>> >> would be great to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> have people from
>>>> both
>>>> >>> organizations
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> participate in a
>>>> >>> joint
>>>> >>> >> call, I don't
>>>> >>> >> >>> see it
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> happening.
>>>> Here's
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> hoping
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> though, I
>>>> >>> guess It's
>>>> >>> >> certainly a
>>>> >>> >> >>> nice
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> thought-although, if the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> call
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> were
>>>> to have
>>>> >>> presentations
>>>> >>> >> from
>>>> >>> >> >>> members of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> both
>>>> organizations, it
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> probably should
>>>> >>> be jointly
>>>> >>> >> moderated
>>>> >>> >> >>> and
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> attended.
>>>> The NFB (or
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> probably even
>>>> >>> NABS) would,
>>>> >>> >> I'm
>>>> >>> >> >>> betting, not
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> be inclined to
>>>> go
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> there.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> So
>>>> maybe we'll
>>>> >>> have better
>>>> >>> >> luck
>>>> >>> >> >>> going through
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> unnoficial
>>>> channels
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> setting this up
>>>> >>> on our
>>>> >>> >> own? No
>>>> >>> >> >>> need to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> make it an
>>>> official event
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> for
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> either the
>>>> >>> Federation or
>>>> >>> >> the
>>>> >>> >> >>> Council-I think
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> it's safe to
>>>> say
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> idea
>>>> was doomed
>>>> >>> to fail
>>>> >>> >> before it
>>>> >>> >> >>> was brought
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> up.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> Best,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Kirt
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
>>>> 6/18/11, Chris
>>>> >>> Nusbaum
>>>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> And,
>>>> as I said
>>>> >>> before, I
>>>> >>> >> would be
>>>> >>> >> >>> very
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> willing to
>>>> moderate this
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> call.
>>>> >>> Please keep me
>>>> >>> >> posted!
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> Chris
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
>>>> loss of sight,
>>>> >>> never a
>>>> >>> >> loss of
>>>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
>>>> motto)
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>>>> learn more
>>>> >>> about Camp
>>>> >>> >> Abilities
>>>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
>>>> just click
>>>> >>> on this
>>>> >>> >> link to
>>>> >>> >> >>> their
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
>>>> site:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>>>> I C.A.N.
>>>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>>>> >>> >> >>> visually
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
>>>> in
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Maryland have the
>>>> >>> ability
>>>> >>> >> to
>>>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
>>>> Click
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
>>>> this link to
>>>> >>> learn more
>>>> >>> >> and to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent
>>>> >>> from my
>>>> >>> >> BrailleNote
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> -----
>>>> >>> >> Original Message
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> -----
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> From: Ignasi
>>>> >>> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
>>>> National
>>>> >>> Association
>>>> >>> >> of Blind
>>>> >>> >> >>> Students
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>>>> sent: Sat,
>>>> >>> 18 Jun
>>>> >>> >> 2011 18:51:04
>>>> >>> >> >>> -0400
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> >>> [nabs-l]
>>>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> interview,Ride
>>>> >>> into
>>>> >>> >> History, Race
>>>> >>> >> >>> for
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
>>>> Wed.
>>>> >>> June
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
>>>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
>>>> call would
>>>> >>> be very
>>>> >>> >> interesting
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> indeed.
>>>> If
>>>> >>> representatives
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> from
>>>> both
>>>> >>> organizations
>>>> >>> >> are willing
>>>> >>> >> >>> to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> participate, it
>>>> can really
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> be
>>>> productive in
>>>> >>> many
>>>> >>> >> ways.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
>>>> Jun 18, 2011,
>>>> >>> at 1:46
>>>> >>> >> PM, Carly
>>>> >>> >> >>> Mihalakis
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Good
>>>> >>> morning,
>>>> >>> >> list,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> A
>>>> >>> few days
>>>> >>> >> ago, someone on
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> the NABS
>>>> list suggested
>>>> >>> a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> conference
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call
>>>> bringing
>>>> >>> clarity to a
>>>> >>> >> younger
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> generation. What,
>>>> >>> exactly, is
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>>>> history of
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >> ideological
>>>> >>> >> >>> parting of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> ways, between
>>>> the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Federation and
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >> Council? Does
>>>> >>> >> >>> anybody know
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> today, the
>>>> history
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> of
>>>> this division
>>>> >>> or is it
>>>> >>> >> a product
>>>> >>> >> >>> of sheer
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> habit as is the
>>>> case
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> with
>>>> Republicans
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> >> Democrats? If
>>>> >>> >> >>> such a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> meeting of both
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> entities were to
>>>> >>> take
>>>> >>> >> place, There
>>>> >>> >> >>> ought to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> be
>>>> representation of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> both
>>>> >>> organizations
>>>> >>> >> so that a
>>>> >>> >> >>> wholistic
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> portrait of this
>>>> issue
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> can
>>>> be
>>>> >>> exercised.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>>> >>> its split
>>>> >>> >> from the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB. This
>>>> seems like a
>>>> >>> >> productive and
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> enlightening
>>>> >>> discussion
>>>> >>> >> but I
>>>> >>> >> >>> wonder, if the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Federation and
>>>> the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> council claim to
>>>> >>> be
>>>> >>> >> friends, should
>>>> >>> >> >>> there not
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> be
>>>> representation
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> from
>>>> >>> >> both sides,
>>>> identifying
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> their position
>>>> and
>>>> >>> whereabouts
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> they
>>>> stand, in
>>>> >>> this? At
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> ----
>>>> >>> Original
>>>> >>> >> Message
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> ------
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> From: "Joe
>>>> >>> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> (by way of
>>>> David
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> Subject:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>
>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
>>>> >>> Our Eyes
>>>> >>> >> interview,
>>>> >>> >> >>> Ride
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> into
>>>> History,Race
>>>> >>> for
>>>> >>> >> >>> Independence,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Wed. June
>>>> 22, 8:00 pm
>>>> >>> EDT
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Date
>>>> >>> sent:
>>>> >>> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Save
>>>> >>> The
>>>> >>> >> Date:
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On
>>>> >>> Wednesday,
>>>> >>> >> June 22,at
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern,
>>>> Thru Our
>>>> >>> Eyes host,
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> Ruffalo will
>>>> >>> >> interview
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs,
>>>> chair of the
>>>> >>> >> Imagination
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> Fund,
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Race
>>>> >>> for
>>>> >>> >> Independence.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> The
>>>> >>> interview
>>>> >>> >> will highlight
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> current and past
>>>> grants
>>>> >>> awarded to
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> state
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> affiliates
>>>> >>> >> and chapters.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> In
>>>> >>> addition,
>>>> >>> >> featured will
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> be Imaginators
>>>> who will share
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> methods
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> to
>>>> >>> make the
>>>> >>> >> ask to make a
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> difference in
>>>> changing what
>>>> >>> it means
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>> be blind.
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> Special
>>>> >>> >> highlight of the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> interview will
>>>> be the
>>>> >>> announcement of
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>>>> 30
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> winners who
>>>> >>> >> will have the
>>>> >>> >> >>>>> opportunity to
>>>> be driven by a
>>>> >>> blind
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> driver
>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>> while
>>>> >>> >> attending
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>> national
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