[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Carly Mihalakis
carlymih at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 23 03:47:14 UTC 2011
I'm no blindness historian or activist particularly, but I seem to be
aware of the US mint approaching the consumer group with the clearest
most insistant voice about 10 years ago and that voice happened to
belong to the Federation. So, it may be inaccurate to say that this
issue was never bbroached within the dialogue that is blindness
issues.:11 PM 6/22/2011, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>Joshua,
> Different textures, different sizes, I honestly don't know either.
>That's why this is such a problem. If we were a smaller country, or
>if we'd thought about this 25 years ago, I bet it would be a lot
>easier..
>
>On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> > What else can we do, to make it identifiable?
> > We've discussed this to death, on the other list.
> > Making the paper currency have different textures may be okay.
> > The Braille, though isn't the answer.
> > I don't know what else to do.
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Kirt,
> >> You and Josh have valid points, but I have even a better solution! Lets
> >> make
> >> the currency identifable so that a blind person would not have to find a
> >> friend or rely on technology to identify their money. Don't we stress
> >> independence? Well having to ask someone how much money you have or
> >> dependenting on technology to identify your money is not independence. The
> >> folding method is fine if you know how much money you have.
> >> Anmol
> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> >> among flowers.
> >> Hellen Keller
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >>> Ride
> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 4:00 PM
> >>> Joshua,
> >>> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that
> >>> doesn't cost a
> >>> thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you
> >>> what your bills are
> >>> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
> >>> in the
> >>> future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going
> >>> to fit in to
> >>> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
> >>> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not
> >>> ideal maybe but, hey,
> >>> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
> >>> something with
> >>> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40
> >>> cell. I used a
> >>> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
> >>> for my first
> >>> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Kirt
> >>>
> >>> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > This is what Allan Ramos told me.
> >>> > He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
> >>> > He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
> >>> Blind,) (not to
> >>> > be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
> >>> > I'm going on what he said.
> >>> > Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew
> >>> Jackson.
> >>> > Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his
> >>> book, "Growth."
> >>> > I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative,
> >>> but we don't have
> >>> > such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small
> >>> town.
> >>> > It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB
> >>> to push the
> >>> > companies that make accessible technologies, to make
> >>> their technology
> >>> > affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
> >>> > That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge,
> >>> (for example.)
> >>> > They will make this car, but they have to charge an
> >>> obseen amount of
> >>> > money, for it.
> >>> > I'm not going to be able to afford it.
> >>> > I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille
> >>> display, and my
> >>> > state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
> >>> > I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,)
> >>> the IBill costs $100.
> >>> > The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is
> >>> as small as a
> >>> > giga-pet.
> >>> > I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
> >>> > Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
> >>> > Make it affordable!
> >>> > Blessings, Joshua
> >>> >
> >>> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> Josh,
> >>> >> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but
> >>> not realistic. Can you
> >>> >> see
> >>> >> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper
> >>> currency has been and will
> >>> >> always be a fabric of this country as it is in
> >>> every country. Which
> >>> >> country
> >>> >> has only coins and know paper currency?
> >>> >> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please
> >>> correct me, but I do not
> >>> >> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.
> >>> From my understanding
> >>> >> they
> >>> >> have been advocating a form of paper currency
> >>> which is accessible and
> >>> >> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most
> >>> afordable means to make paper
> >>> >> currency accessible.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Anmol
> >>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> >>> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
> >>> is vague, like a breeze
> >>> >> among flowers.
> >>> >> Hellen Keller
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >>> >>> Ride
> >>> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> >>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing list"
> >>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
> >>> >>> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
> >>> >>> accessible currency.
> >>> >>> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
> >>> >>> That isn't going to work.
> >>> >>> I have the answer to the problem.
> >>> >>> First of all, it's political.
> >>> >>> I'm tired of people saying that the
> >>> conservatives aren't on
> >>> >>> the side
> >>> >>> of the blind.
> >>> >>> When it comes to currency, they are.
> >>> >>> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to
> >>> the gold
> >>> >>> standard?
> >>> >>> Coins are the answer to the problem.
> >>> >>> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
> >>> >>> We can't do this with paper currency.
> >>> >>> That solves the problems with our currency.
> >>> >>> This would help everyone, including us.
> >>> >>> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
> >>> >>> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
> >>> >>> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind
> >>> people,) We can
> >>> >>> identify
> >>> >>> coins by their texture.
> >>> >>> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
> >>> >>> Yes, but is it worth it?
> >>> >>> Yes!
> >>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> > Jessica,
> >>> >>> > Good point. In addition, I would much
> >>> rather a blind
> >>> >>> person to feel mobil
> >>> >>> > even if they don't have good mobility
> >>> skills and
> >>> >>> frankly I would rather have
> >>> >>> > audible street lights then to see a blind
> >>> person get
> >>> >>> killed because they
> >>> >>> > could not figure out how the traffic
> >>> goes.
> >>> >>> > Anmol
> >>> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and
> >>> they never
> >>> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at
> >>> times; but it is
> >>> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >>> >>> > among flowers.
> >>> >>> > Hellen Keller
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >>> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >>> >>> >> into History, Race for Independence,
> >>> Wed. June 22,
> >>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind
> >>> Students
> >>> >>> mailing list"
> >>> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01
> >>> PM
> >>> >>> >> There are certain types of
> >>> >>> >> intersections where no matter how
> >>> long you stand
> >>> >>> there and
> >>> >>> >> listen to traffic you will never hear
> >>> a good cycle
> >>> >>> so in
> >>> >>> >> those cases I actually support aps.
> >>> Just keep that
> >>> >>> in mind
> >>> >>> >> when someone talks about every
> >>> intersection being
> >>> >>> crossable
> >>> >>> >> by listening to traffic.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt
> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> > Anmol,
> >>> >>> >> > It's a nice thought.
> >>> Maybe it'll
> >>> >>> be
> >>> >>> >> possible, some day. Never say
> >>> >>> >> > never, ri9ght?
> >>> >>> >> > But here's the
> >>> thing. The two
> >>> >>> >> organizations have evolved two
> >>> >>> >> > separate philosophies and
> >>> mindsets. I'm
> >>> >>> doing
> >>> >>> >> something really bad
> >>> >>> >> > and generalizing. If
> >>> anyone who knows
> >>> >>> more than
> >>> >>> >> I do wants to correct
> >>> >>> >> > me here, feel free.
> >>> >>> >> > The stance the ACB seems
> >>> to take more
> >>> >>> often than
> >>> >>> >> not is to make the
> >>> >>> >> > environment more accessible for
> >>> us.
> >>> >>> This is
> >>> >>> >> evidenced by their
> >>> >>> >> > support for audible street
> >>> signals (which
> >>> >>> make a lot
> >>> >>> >> of sense to me,
> >>> >>> >> > I'm not really convinced one way
> >>> or the other
> >>> >>> on that
> >>> >>> >> one yet),
> >>> >>> >> > tactile currency, descriptive
> >>> movies, the
> >>> >>> provisions
> >>> >>> >> in the ADA to
> >>> >>> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st
> >>> century
> >>> >>> communications
> >>> >>> >> act, their
> >>> >>> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd,
> >>> universal
> >>> >>> design in
> >>> >>> >> technology, etc.
> >>> >>> >> > They also use lots of their
> >>> resources to
> >>> >>> fight
> >>> >>> >> descrimination, at
> >>> >>> >> > least it seems that way to me.
> >>> >>> >> > The NFB, on the other
> >>> hand, seems to
> >>> >>> more often
> >>> >>> >> than not advocate us
> >>> >>> >> > adapting to the
> >>> environment. This is
> >>> >>> evidenced
> >>> >>> >> by the strict
> >>> >>> >> > standards of training centers,
> >>> pushing
> >>> >>> braille,
> >>> >>> >> opposition to the
> >>> >>> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy
> >>> of relying on
> >>> >>> traffic
> >>> >>> >> rather than
> >>> >>> >> > audible signals (which makes a
> >>> lot of sense
> >>> >>> to me),
> >>> >>> >> our philosophy
> >>> >>> >> > that with the right training and
> >>> opportunity
> >>> >>> we can
> >>> >>> >> compete on an
> >>> >>> >> > equal footing, the idea of the
> >>> blind driver
> >>> >>> challenge,
> >>> >>> >> etc. Of course
> >>> >>> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making
> >>> changes in
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> environment (technology
> >>> >>> >> > bill of rights, Help America
> >>> Vote Act, and
> >>> >>> the ADA
> >>> >>> >> which we also
> >>> >>> >> > supported), and the ACB does
> >>> advocate for
> >>> >>> quality
> >>> >>> >> independence
> >>> >>> >> > training/O&M. But,
> >>> those are the
> >>> >>> rough
> >>> >>> >> philosophies of the two
> >>> >>> >> > organizations, if we're going by
> >>> their
> >>> >>> records.
> >>> >>> >> Is the ACB wrong?
> >>> >>> >> > No, I don't think so, but the
> >>> NFB is more of
> >>> >>> a fit
> >>> >>> >> with my vision of
> >>> >>> >> > blindness. I just think
> >>> thee two
> >>> >>> separate
> >>> >>> >> methodoligies willkeep us
> >>> >>> >> > from ever uniting as one
> >>> group...and that's
> >>> >>> ok.
> >>> >>> >> We all have the
> >>> >>> >> > right, even the obligation to
> >>> advocate for
> >>> >>> ourselves
> >>> >>> >> and those we
> >>> >>> >> > represent. The ACB does it
> >>> their way,
> >>> >>> we do it
> >>> >>> >> ours. Sometimes there
> >>> >>> >> > is overlap, lots of times our
> >>> philosophies
> >>> >>> take us in
> >>> >>> >> different
> >>> >>> >> > directions and put us on
> >>> opposite sides of
> >>> >>> important
> >>> >>> >> issues. When our
> >>> >>> >> > aims are the same (or similar),
> >>> we need to
> >>> >>> work
> >>> >>> >> together and present a
> >>> >>> >> > united front. When we are
> >>> at odds
> >>> >>> (which we
> >>> >>> >> often are, the two
> >>> >>> >> > organizations really are very
> >>> different), we
> >>> >>> both have
> >>> >>> >> the right to
> >>> >>> >> > push our separate agendas and
> >>> attempt to get
> >>> >>> our
> >>> >>> >> policies implimented.
> >>> >>> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we
> >>> win, that's
> >>> >>> >> politics. We don't have
> >>> >>> >> > to be bitter about it and, on
> >>> the personal
> >>> >>> level, we
> >>> >>> >> can still be good
> >>> >>> >> > friends even when our politics
> >>> are at odds.
> >>> >>> >> > Just my thoughts,
> >>> >>> >> > Kirt
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> Kirt,
> >>> >>> >> >> You bring some vary valid
> >>> points, and yes
> >>> >>> we have
> >>> >>> >> beaten the
> >>> >>> >> >> democrats/republicans
> >>> analogy to
> >>> >>> death but
> >>> >>> >> it keeps coming up as a
> >>> >>> >> >> comparison, so I will just
> >>> say one thing
> >>> >>> about
> >>> >>> >> this. I may have already said
> >>> >>> >> >> this before on the list, but
> >>> please
> >>> >>> furgive me if
> >>> >>> >> I have. The blind
> >>> >>> >> >> community is a to small of a
> >>> community to
> >>> >>> be
> >>> >>> >> divided on partizen lines like
> >>> >>> >> >> democrats and republicans,
> >>> and our
> >>> >>> challenges are
> >>> >>> >> to great to be divided
> >>> >>> >> >> like democrats and
> >>> republicans. Sure
> >>> >>> there will be
> >>> >>> >> differences between
> >>> >>> >> >> members of the ACB and
> >>> members of the NFB
> >>> >>> on how
> >>> >>> >> business should be
> >>> >>> >> >> conducted, but honestly
> >>> there differences
> >>> >>> between
> >>> >>> >> members of each
> >>> >>> >> >> organization on how their
> >>> organization
> >>> >>> should do
> >>> >>> >> business.
> >>> >>> >> >> True there were disagreement
> >>> on how
> >>> >>> business
> >>> >>> >> should and leadership issues
> >>> >>> >> >> causing the split between
> >>> the NFB and
> >>> >>> ACB, I
> >>> >>> >> consider the leadership issues
> >>> >>> >> >> to be pitty differences.
> >>> Often when one
> >>> >>> candidate
> >>> >>> >> loses, they and their
> >>> >>> >> >> supporters go and form their
> >>> on
> >>> >>> organization or
> >>> >>> >> chapter. This happened at my
> >>> >>> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a
> >>> result we have
> >>> >>> two NFB
> >>> >>> >> chapters in a small town.
> >>> >>> >> >> Now some may consider this
> >>> to be a good
> >>> >>> thing, but
> >>> >>> >> think about how much more
> >>> >>> >> >> we can achieve if we were
> >>> one NFB chapter
> >>> >>> in
> >>> >>> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> >>> >>> >> >> fund raising and my
> >>> volunteers for
> >>> >>> events. In
> >>> >>> >> addition, these types of
> >>> >>> >> >> childish arguements causes
> >>> many blind
> >>> >>> people who
> >>> >>> >> otherwise may be involved
> >>> >>> >> >> in a blind organization to
> >>> be a "fense
> >>> >>> sitters".
> >>> >>> >> Now using this analogy to
> >>> >>> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have
> >>> near the funds
> >>> >>> that NFB
> >>> >>> >> has, but they are not
> >>> >>> >> >> poor eather. Their
> >>> attendence is not as
> >>> >>> large at
> >>> >>> >> the conventions, but it is
> >>> >>> >> >> not small eather. Think if
> >>> both of these
> >>> >>> >> organizations were together how
> >>> >>> >> >> much more money we would
> >>> have to do
> >>> >>> policy that
> >>> >>> >> each organization does or
> >>> >>> >> >> the advocacy work that each
> >>> >>> organization
> >>> >>> >> does, and think about how much
> >>> >>> >> >> larger the convention would
> >>> be. We would
> >>> >>> pack two
> >>> >>> >> hotels full or near full.
> >>> >>> >> >> In addition, think about how
> >>> much venders
> >>> >>> would be
> >>> >>> >> giving out in prizes
> >>> >>> >> >> because now insteading
> >>> having to spend
> >>> >>> money to
> >>> >>> >> send their workers to two
> >>> >>> >> >> convention, they will only
> >>> have to send
> >>> >>> their
> >>> >>> >> workers to one convention. In
> >>> >>> >> >> addition, most venders give
> >>> out big
> >>> >>> prizes at each
> >>> >>> >> convention and if there
> >>> >>> >> >> was only one convention,
> >>> they can give
> >>> >>> two
> >>> >>> >> prizes.
> >>> >>> >> >> However, you are right in
> >>> that
> >>> >>> realistically the
> >>> >>> >> two organizations will not
> >>> >>> >> >> merge any time soon.
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> best wishes,
> >>> >>> >> >> Anmol
> >>> >>> >> >> I seldom think about my
> >>> limitations, and
> >>> >>> they
> >>> >>> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> >>> >> >> there is just a touch of
> >>> yearning at
> >>> >>> times; but it
> >>> >>> >> is vague, like a breeze
> >>> >>> >> >> among flowers.
> >>> >>> >> >> Hellen Keller
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
> >>> Manwaring
> >>> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring
> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >>> >>> >> >>> into History, Race for
> >>> Independence,
> >>> >>> Wed. June
> >>> >>> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> >> >>> To: "National
> >>> Association of Blind
> >>> >>> Students
> >>> >>> >> mailing list"
> >>> >>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21,
> >>> 2011, 2:51
> >>> >>> PM
> >>> >>> >> >>> Anmol,
> >>> >>> >> >>> I don't
> >>> really see a
> >>> >>> merger
> >>> >>> >> happening any time soon,
> >>> >>> >> >>> nor would I
> >>> >>> >> >>> want it to. We've
> >>> all beaten
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> democrat/republican
> >>> >>> >> >>> analogy to
> >>> >>> >> >>> death...but imagine
> >>> Barack Obama and
> >>> >>> Mitt
> >>> >>> >> Romney in the
> >>> >>> >> >>> same political
> >>> >>> >> >>> party. It just
> >>> wouldn't work.
> >>> >>> >> There are huge
> >>> >>> >> >>> differences. It
> >>> >>> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB
> >>> better for
> >>> >>> everyone, but
> >>> >>> >> it makes the
> >>> >>> >> >>> NFB better
> >>> >>> >> >>> for me. I have
> >>> lots of respect
> >>> >>> for my
> >>> >>> >> friends in the
> >>> >>> >> >>> ACB who stand up
> >>> >>> >> >>> and fight for their
> >>> agenda.
> >>> >>> Lots of the
> >>> >>> >> times, it's
> >>> >>> >> >>> the same as mine.
> >>> >>> >> >>> When it's not, we can
> >>> talk without
> >>> >>> being
> >>> >>> >> jackasses to each
> >>> >>> >> >>> other and,
> >>> >>> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the
> >>> disagreement
> >>> >>> actually
> >>> >>> >> strengthens
> >>> >>> >> >>> our
> >>> >>> >> >>> friendship.
> >>> >>> >> >>> I say
> >>> diversity is
> >>> >>> good,
> >>> >>> >> competition is good, we
> >>> >>> >> >>> need a free market
> >>> >>> >> >>> of ideas. I
> >>> respect ACB and the
> >>> >>> sincere
> >>> >>> >> people there
> >>> >>> >> >>> trying to make
> >>> >>> >> >>> the lives of blind
> >>> people
> >>> >>> better. I
> >>> >>> >> happen to find
> >>> >>> >> >>> the Federation
> >>> >>> >> >>> philosophy and method
> >>> more meaningful
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> me. I want
> >>> >>> >> >>> to understand
> >>> >>> >> >>> the split. From
> >>> the little bit
> >>> >>> of
> >>> >>> >> studying I've done,
> >>> >>> >> >>> I don't really
> >>> >>> >> >>> think it was petty
> >>> personal
> >>> >>> differences but
> >>> >>> >> rather
> >>> >>> >> >>> differing
> >>> >>> >> >>> philosophies about
> >>> methodology and
> >>> >>> leadership
> >>> >>> >> that drove
> >>> >>> >> >>> the two
> >>> >>> >> >>> groups to
> >>> separate. We can be
> >>> >>> different
> >>> >>> >> without being
> >>> >>> >> >>> petty. We can
> >>> >>> >> >>> disagree without being
> >>> bigots.
> >>> >>> When our
> >>> >>> >> two
> >>> >>> >> >>> organizations come down
> >>> >>> >> >>> on opposite sides of
> >>> important
> >>> >>> issues, as we
> >>> >>> >> often do, we
> >>> >>> >> >>> need not be
> >>> >>> >> >>> arrogant or
> >>> self-rightious because we
> >>> >>> think
> >>> >>> >> we're
> >>> >>> >> >>> right. The fact
> >>> is,
> >>> >>> >> >>> we disagree. And I
> >>> think the
> >>> >>> >> disagreements are too
> >>> >>> >> >>> central to our
> >>> >>> >> >>> respective organizations
> >>> for us to
> >>> >>> ever become
> >>> >>> >> one.
> >>> >>> >> >>> But that doesn't
> >>> >>> >> >>> mean we can't be
> >>> friends, especially
> >>> >>> on a
> >>> >>> >> personal level.
> >>> >>> >> >>> Best,
> >>> >>> >> >>> Kirt
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia
> >>> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Kirt,
> >>> >>> >> >>>> You are bringing up
> >>> some vary
> >>> >>> good
> >>> >>> >> points...
> >>> >>> >> >>> Understanding the
> >>> history of
> >>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is
> >>> an import part
> >>> >>> in the
> >>> >>> >> history in
> >>> >>> >> >>> the blind movement and
> >>> >>> >> >>>> an important part in
> >>> the history
> >>> >>> of two
> >>> >>> >> organizations.
> >>> >>> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
> >>> >>> >> >>>> my oppinion both
> >>> organizations
> >>> >>> bring value
> >>> >>> >> and have
> >>> >>> >> >>> and continue to make a
> >>> >>> >> >>>> difference for blind
> >>> people
> >>> >>> across America
> >>> >>> >> on a daily
> >>> >>> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
> >>> >>> >> >>>> that this split
> >>> happened and just
> >>> >>> maybe
> >>> >>> >> the next
> >>> >>> >> >>> generation of blind
> >>> >>> >> >>>> individuals our
> >>> generation or
> >>> >>> those who
> >>> >>> >> are younger
> >>> >>> >> >>> then can bring the two
> >>> >>> >> >>>> organizations
> >>> together once
> >>> >>> again. Now
> >>> >>> >> this is just my
> >>> >>> >> >>> translation and my
> >>> >>> >> >>>> oppinion, but
> >>> it seems to
> >>> >>> me that
> >>> >>> >> the NFB ACB
> >>> >>> >> >>> split happened over
> >>> pitty
> >>> >>> >> >>>> differences and two
> >>> individuals
> >>> >>> with
> >>> >>> >> different ideas
> >>> >>> >> >>> fighting for power. It
> >>> >>> >> >>>> seems to me that the
> >>> hate the
> >>> >>> two
> >>> >>> >> organizations have
> >>> >>> >> >>> towards each other is
> >>> >>> >> >>>> not as strong
> >>> amongest this
> >>> >>> generation.
> >>> >>> >> Infact many
> >>> >>> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
> >>> >>> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are
> >>> friends in
> >>> >>> life and
> >>> >>> >> attack on the
> >>> >>> >> >>> other organization is
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> usually not
> >>> >>> allow on each
> >>> >>> >> organization's mailing
> >>> >>> >> >>> list.
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Dave, you are right
> >>> that ACB does
> >>> >>> not have
> >>> >>> >> the same
> >>> >>> >> >>> amount of people
> >>> >>> >> >>>> attending its'
> >>> convention, but
> >>> >>> their
> >>> >>> >> attendence is not
> >>> >>> >> >>> small eather. I would
> >>> >>> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend
> >>> the ACB
> >>> >>> convention and
> >>> >>> >> all the major
> >>> >>> >> >>> venders who attend
> >>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB convention
> >>> attend the
> >>> >>> ACB
> >>> >>> >> convention. There
> >>> >>> >> >>> are also quite a few
> >>> >>> >> >>>> young people who
> >>> attend the ACB
> >>> >>> >> convention.
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its'
> >>> business
> >>> >>> different then
> >>> >>> >> NFB, but
> >>> >>> >> >>> thats why they are a
> >>> >>> >> >>>> different
> >>> organization. However,
> >>> >>> this does
> >>> >>> >> not make
> >>> >>> >> >>> them any worse or
> >>> better
> >>> >>> >> >>>> then the NFB.
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and
> >>> it would be
> >>> >>> great if
> >>> >>> >> we keep the
> >>> >>> >> >>> attacks on each
> >>> >>> >> >>>> organization to as
> >>> less as
> >>> >>> possible.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Anmol
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> I seldom think about
> >>> my
> >>> >>> limitations, and
> >>> >>> >> they never
> >>> >>> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> >>> >> >>>> there is just a
> >>> touch of yearning
> >>> >>> at
> >>> >>> >> times; but it is
> >>> >>> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >>> >>> >> >>>> among flowers.
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11,
> >>> Kirt
> >>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> From: Kirt
> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re:
> >>> [nabs-l]
> >>> >>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >>> >>> >> >>> Our Eyes interview,
> >>> Ride
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> into History,
> >>> Race for
> >>> >>> Independence,
> >>> >>> >> Wed. June 22,
> >>> >>> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> To: "National
> >>> Association of
> >>> >>> Blind
> >>> >>> >> Students
> >>> >>> >> >>> mailing list"
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday,
> >>> June 21, 2011,
> >>> >>> 12:25
> >>> >>> >> PM
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Dave,
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>> How long ago
> >>> >>> was
> >>> >>> >> this? Things could've
> >>> >>> >> >>> changed
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> since you last
> >>> went
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> if it's been a
> >>> while, maybe?
> >>> >>> >> And, with respect,
> >>> >>> >> >>> this
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> is a big deal
> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> a lot of
> >>> us. I know for
> >>> >>> me it's
> >>> >>> >> a lot more than
> >>> >>> >> >>> a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "small
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> consideration",
> >>> I like to
> >>> >>> know the
> >>> >>> >> past as much as
> >>> >>> >> >>> I can
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> because it
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> shaped the here
> >>> and
> >>> >>> now. I can
> >>> >>> >> read the books
> >>> >>> >> >>> put out
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> by each
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> organization-they probably
> >>> >>> both have
> >>> >>> >> lots of the
> >>> >>> >> >>> truth
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> intermingled
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> with their
> >>> respective
> >>> >>> agendas.
> >>> >>> >> But nothing
> >>> >>> >> >>> beats
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> talking to
> >>> people
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> who have studied
> >>> the issues
> >>> >>> or,
> >>> >>> >> preferably, people
> >>> >>> >> >>> who were
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> actually
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> there.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>> All the
> >>> >>> best,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Kirt
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11,
> >>> David Andrews
> >>> >>> <dandrews at visi.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> The two
> >>> biggest things I
> >>> >>> noticed
> >>> >>> >> at an ACB
> >>> >>> >> >>> national
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> convention were
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> that the
> >>> crowd was
> >>> >>> considerably
> >>> >>> >> smaller than
> >>> >>> >> >>> that at a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> NFB convention
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> -- less
> >>> exhibits etc.
> >>> >>> too.
> >>> >>> >> The second
> >>> >>> >> >>> things was
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> that there were
> >>> few
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> young
> >>> persons -- some
> >>> >>> but
> >>> >>> >> noticeably not
> >>> >>> >> >>> very
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> many. One
> >>> of the major
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> things that
> >>> the ACB has
> >>> >>> pushed in
> >>> >>> >> the past is
> >>> >>> >> >>> that it
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> is different
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> from the
> >>> NFB, it does
> >>> >>> things
> >>> >>> >> differently
> >>> >>> >> >>> etc.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> This doesn't
> >>> really
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> matter to
> >>> younger people
> >>> >>> though,
> >>> >>> >> so they have
> >>> >>> >> >>> little
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> reason to join,
> >>> so
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> don't.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> You guys can
> >>> spend lots
> >>> >>> of time on
> >>> >>> >> the
> >>> >>> >> >>> history, and
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> differences if
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> you want --
> >>> but what is
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> point. It
> >>> >>> >> >>> happened,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> it is over with
> >>> and
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> done.
> >>> Yes we can
> >>> >>> and should
> >>> >>> >> learn from our
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> history, but it
> >>> is just
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> one small
> >>> consideration.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> Dave
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM
> >>> 6/20/2011,
> >>> >>> you wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> I do see
> >>> >>> your
> >>> >>> >> point. Those
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> alive at the
> >>> time are not,
> >>> >>> and will
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> probabluy never be
> >>> >>> >> friends. Heck,
> >>> >>> >> >>> getting
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> them to actually
> >>> talk in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> peace
> >>> would be the
> >>> >>> achievement
> >>> >>> >> of the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> century! if
> >>> >>> such a
> >>> >>> >> call were
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> to
> >>> hypothetically
> >>> >>> happen, how
> >>> >>> >> could we
> >>> >>> >> >>> keep it from
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opening old
> >>> wounds
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> and
> >>> stoking old
> >>> >>> fires?
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> On
> >>> 6/20/11, Chris
> >>> >>> Nusbaum
> >>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Dave,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Our
> >>> joint
> >>> >>> conference call
> >>> >>> >> isn't
> >>> >>> >> >>> associated
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> whatsoever with
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> proposition of a
> >>> >>> change in
> >>> >>> >> the NFB
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw. If
> >>> I'm setting
> >>> >>> this
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> up,
> >>> which it
> >>> >>> appears I am,
> >>> >>> >> I didn't
> >>> >>> >> >>> even have
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the intention
> >>> of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> mentioning that
> >>> >>> >> proposition on the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> call. The
> >>> call's
> >>> >>> purpose is
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >>> learn the
> >>> >>> history of
> >>> >>> >> the NFB/ACB,
> >>> >>> >> >>> with a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> little emphasis
> >>> on
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >>> "civil war"
> >>> >>> period,
> >>> >>> >> from both
> >>> >>> >> >>> sides so we
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> are
> >>> informed. I
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> also
> >>> want this
> >>> >>> call to
> >>> >>> >> start a
> >>> >>> >> >>> discussion on
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the history of
> >>> our
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> movement and what
> >>> >>> we can
> >>> >>> >> learn from
> >>> >>> >> >>> it, not
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> only as
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Federationists,
> >>> >>> but as
> >>> >>> >> blind
> >>> >>> >> >>> students.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have
> >>> found
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
> >>> ways that we
> >>> >>> can hold
> >>> >>> >> the call
> >>> >>> >> >>> without
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> making it a
> >>> NABS
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> membership call,
> >>> >>> if it is
> >>> >>> >> entirely
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> necessary.
> >>> And as to
> >>> >>> your
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> comments about
> >>> >>> them not
> >>> >>> >> being our
> >>> >>> >> >>> friends,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> then using your
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> argument, the
> >>> >>> Republicans
> >>> >>> >> should not
> >>> >>> >> >>> hear the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Democrats point
> >>> of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> view
> >>> in meetings
> >>> >>> of
> >>> >>> >> Congress, but
> >>> >>> >> >>> the two
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> parties should
> >>> be
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> separated from
> >>> >>> each other
> >>> >>> >> for fear
> >>> >>> >> >>> of their
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> own side being
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> attacked.
> >>> >>> We can
> >>> >>> >> keep our same
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opinions, and
> >>> probably many
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Federationists
> >>> >>> and Council
> >>> >>> >> members
> >>> >>> >> >>> who attend
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> this call will.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
> >>> is just a
> >>> >>> way that we
> >>> >>> >> can be
> >>> >>> >> >>> more
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> informed when
> >>> forming
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> these opinions.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
> >>> loss of sight,
> >>> >>> never a
> >>> >>> >> loss of
> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
> >>> motto)
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
> >>> learn more
> >>> >>> about Camp
> >>> >>> >> Abilities
> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
> >>> just click
> >>> >>> on this
> >>> >>> >> link to
> >>> >>> >> >>> their
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
> >>> site:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >>> I C.A.N.
> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
> >>> in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Maryland have the
> >>> >>> ability
> >>> >>> >> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
> >>> Click
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
> >>> this link to
> >>> >>> learn more
> >>> >>> >> and to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Sent from
> >>> >>> >> my BrailleNote
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> -----
> >>> >>> >> Original Message -----
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> From: David
> >>> >>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
> >>> National
> >>> >>> Association
> >>> >>> >> of Blind
> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> >>> sent: Sun,
> >>> >>> 19 Jun
> >>> >>> >> 2011 20:39:01
> >>> >>> >> >>> -0500
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Subject: Re:
> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> interview,Ride
> >>> >>> into
> >>> >>> >> History, Race
> >>> >>> >> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
> >>> Wed.
> >>> >>> June
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Chris:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >>> don't want to
> >>> >>> friend
> >>> >>> >> anyone -- but
> >>> >>> >> >>> I think
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> this is a
> >>> terrible
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> idea!
> >>> >>> Remember the
> >>> >>> >> ACB split off
> >>> >>> >> >>> from
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the NFB because
> >>> they
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> thought
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >>> we were all
> >>> >>> wrong,
> >>> >>> >> did our
> >>> >>> >> >>> business in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the wrong way
> >>> etc. I
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> am
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
> >>> going to say
> >>> >>> that we
> >>> >>> >> can't learn
> >>> >>> >> >>> anything
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> from the ACB,
> >>> but
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
> >>> a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> history
> >>> >>> lesson. I
> >>> >>> >> was at a ACb
> >>> >>> >> >>> National
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Convention a few
> >>> years
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ago
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> --
> >>> and heard the
> >>> >>> NFB
> >>> >>> >> attacked openly
> >>> >>> >> >>> and
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> indirectly. These
> >>> >>> folks
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> are
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not
> >>> our
> >>> >>> friends. We
> >>> >>> >> can work
> >>> >>> >> >>> jointly at
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> times, and
> >>> should, and I
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> don't think we
> >>> >>> should be
> >>> >>> >> against
> >>> >>> >> >>> them, for
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the sake of it,
> >>> as
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some
> >>> of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> my
> >>> old-timer
> >>> >>> friends are
> >>> >>> >> -- but a
> >>> >>> >> >>> joint
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> conference call
> >>> on
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> consideration of
> >>> >>> a change
> >>> >>> >> to a NFB
> >>> >>> >> >>> division
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw is going
> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> far!
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Dave
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> At
> >>> 12:53 PM
> >>> >>> 6/19/2011, you
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Kirt,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >>> have a friend
> >>> >>> in the
> >>> >>> >> Council that
> >>> >>> >> >>> I will
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> see Monday
> >>> night, so I
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> plan
> >>> to give this
> >>> >>> idea to
> >>> >>> >> him and
> >>> >>> >> >>> ask if he
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> knows someone in
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Council that
> >>> >>> would be
> >>> >>> >> knowledgeable
> >>> >>> >> >>> enough
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> and willing to
> >>> attend
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> this
> >>> call on
> >>> >>> behalf of the
> >>> >>> >> Council
> >>> >>> >> >>> as an
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> expert on their
> >>> history.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Maybe it would be
> >>> >>> better
> >>> >>> >> if someone
> >>> >>> >> >>> like me
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> moderated.
> >>> Keep in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> mind
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >>> I did
> >>> >>> volunteer, but
> >>> >>> >> I'm not
> >>> >>> >> >>> degrading
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm
> >>> just
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> using myself as
> >>> >>> an example
> >>> >>> >> here.
> >>> >>> >> >>> I'm a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> member of the
> >>> Federation,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> but
> >>> I'm not a
> >>> >>> hard-line
> >>> >>> >> "NFB is
> >>> >>> >> >>> good, ACB
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bad" person, so
> >>> I
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> wouldn't
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> show
> >>> any bias to
> >>> >>> NFB or
> >>> >>> >> ACB. I
> >>> >>> >> >>> also am
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> not currently a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> contributing
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> (due-paying)
> >>> >>> member of
> >>> >>> >> NABS, so I'm
> >>> >>> >> >>> not a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> leader in it of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> course.
> >>> >>> That way, we
> >>> >>> >> wouldn't have
> >>> >>> >> >>> any
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> bias.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >>> think it would
> >>> >>> be easy
> >>> >>> >> to have it
> >>> >>> >> >>> jointly
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> attended even if
> >>> it's
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> an
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> official NABS
> >>> >>> call.
> >>> >>> >> If we have a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> representative
> >>> of ACB on the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> call,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> we
> >>> could probably
> >>> >>> easily
> >>> >>> >> get other
> >>> >>> >> >>> members of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB on the call
> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> kind
> >>> of back up
> >>> >>> or add to
> >>> >>> >> that
> >>> >>> >> >>> guest
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> speaker's
> >>> information.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Chris
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
> >>> loss of sight,
> >>> >>> never a
> >>> >>> >> loss of
> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
> >>> motto)
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
> >>> learn more
> >>> >>> about Camp
> >>> >>> >> Abilities
> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> you,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> just
> >>> click on
> >>> >>> this link to
> >>> >>> >> their
> >>> >>> >> >>> national Web
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> site:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >>> I C.A.N.
> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
> >>> in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Maryland
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> have
> >>> the ability
> >>> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> confidently say
> >>> >>> >> >>> "I can!"
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> How? Click on
> >>> this
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> link
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >>> learn more and
> >>> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> contribute:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
> >>> from my
> >>> >>> BrailleNote
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> ----- Original
> >>> >>> Message
> >>> >>> >> -----
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> From: Kirt
> >>> >>> Manwaring
> >>> >>> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
> >>> National
> >>> >>> Association
> >>> >>> >> of Blind
> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> >>> sent: Sun,
> >>> >>> 19 Jun
> >>> >>> >> 2011 00:45:08
> >>> >>> >> >>> -0600
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Subject: Re:
> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> interview,Ride
> >>> >>> into
> >>> >>> >> History, Race
> >>> >>> >> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
> >>> Wed.
> >>> >>> June
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Carley,
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> The
> >>> >>> two
> >>> >>> >> organizations don't
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> really claim to
> >>> be "friends"
> >>> >>> as
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> such-it
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> seems like now
> >>> >>> they just
> >>> >>> >> mostly
> >>> >>> >> >>> ignore each
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> other, work
> >>> jointly
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> when
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> their agendas
> >>> >>> converge and
> >>> >>> >> play
> >>> >>> >> >>> politics when
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> they
> >>> don't. Maybe
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> they
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> aren't enemies,
> >>> >>> but the
> >>> >>> >> official
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> organizations
> >>> don't really
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> advertise
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> themselves as
> >>> >>> friends.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> While it
> >>> >>> >> would be great to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> have people from
> >>> both
> >>> >>> organizations
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> participate in a
> >>> >>> joint
> >>> >>> >> call, I don't
> >>> >>> >> >>> see it
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> happening.
> >>> Here's
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> hoping
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> though, I
> >>> >>> guess It's
> >>> >>> >> certainly a
> >>> >>> >> >>> nice
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> thought-although, if the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> call
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> were
> >>> to have
> >>> >>> presentations
> >>> >>> >> from
> >>> >>> >> >>> members of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> both
> >>> organizations, it
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> probably should
> >>> >>> be jointly
> >>> >>> >> moderated
> >>> >>> >> >>> and
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> attended.
> >>> The NFB (or
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> probably even
> >>> >>> NABS) would,
> >>> >>> >> I'm
> >>> >>> >> >>> betting, not
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be inclined to
> >>> go
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> there.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> So
> >>> maybe we'll
> >>> >>> have better
> >>> >>> >> luck
> >>> >>> >> >>> going through
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> unnoficial
> >>> channels
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> setting this up
> >>> >>> on our
> >>> >>> >> own? No
> >>> >>> >> >>> need to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> make it an
> >>> official event
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> either the
> >>> >>> Federation or
> >>> >>> >> the
> >>> >>> >> >>> Council-I think
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> it's safe to
> >>> say
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> that
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> idea
> >>> was doomed
> >>> >>> to fail
> >>> >>> >> before it
> >>> >>> >> >>> was brought
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> up.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Best,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Kirt
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
> >>> 6/18/11, Chris
> >>> >>> Nusbaum
> >>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> And,
> >>> as I said
> >>> >>> before, I
> >>> >>> >> would be
> >>> >>> >> >>> very
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> willing to
> >>> moderate this
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> call.
> >>> >>> Please keep me
> >>> >>> >> posted!
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Chris
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A
> >>> loss of sight,
> >>> >>> never a
> >>> >>> >> loss of
> >>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities
> >>> motto)
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
> >>> learn more
> >>> >>> about Camp
> >>> >>> >> Abilities
> >>> >>> >> >>> and find a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
> >>> just click
> >>> >>> on this
> >>> >>> >> link to
> >>> >>> >> >>> their
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web
> >>> site:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >>> I C.A.N.
> >>> >>> >> Foundation helps
> >>> >>> >> >>> visually
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth
> >>> in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Maryland have the
> >>> >>> ability
> >>> >>> >> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How?
> >>> Click
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on
> >>> this link to
> >>> >>> learn more
> >>> >>> >> and to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Sent
> >>> >>> from my
> >>> >>> >> BrailleNote
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> -----
> >>> >>> >> Original Message
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> -----
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> From: Ignasi
> >>> >>> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
> >>> National
> >>> >>> Association
> >>> >>> >> of Blind
> >>> >>> >> >>> Students
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> >>> sent: Sat,
> >>> >>> 18 Jun
> >>> >>> >> 2011 18:51:04
> >>> >>> >> >>> -0400
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Subject: Re:
> >>> >>> [nabs-l]
> >>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> interview,Ride
> >>> >>> into
> >>> >>> >> History, Race
> >>> >>> >> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence,
> >>> Wed.
> >>> >>> June
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22,
> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This
> >>> call would
> >>> >>> be very
> >>> >>> >> interesting
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> indeed.
> >>> If
> >>> >>> representatives
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> from
> >>> both
> >>> >>> organizations
> >>> >>> >> are willing
> >>> >>> >> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> participate, it
> >>> can really
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> be
> >>> productive in
> >>> >>> many
> >>> >>> >> ways.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
> >>> Jun 18, 2011,
> >>> >>> at 1:46
> >>> >>> >> PM, Carly
> >>> >>> >> >>> Mihalakis
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Good
> >>> >>> morning,
> >>> >>> >> list,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> A
> >>> >>> few days
> >>> >>> >> ago, someone on
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> the NABS
> >>> list suggested
> >>> >>> a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> conference
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call
> >>> bringing
> >>> >>> clarity to a
> >>> >>> >> younger
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> generation. What,
> >>> >>> exactly, is
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >>> history of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> ideological
> >>> >>> >> >>> parting of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ways, between
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Federation and
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> Council? Does
> >>> >>> >> >>> anybody know
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> today, the
> >>> history
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> of
> >>> this division
> >>> >>> or is it
> >>> >>> >> a product
> >>> >>> >> >>> of sheer
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> habit as is the
> >>> case
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> with
> >>> Republicans
> >>> >>> and
> >>> >>> >> Democrats? If
> >>> >>> >> >>> such a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> meeting of both
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> entities were to
> >>> >>> take
> >>> >>> >> place, There
> >>> >>> >> >>> ought to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be
> >>> representation of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> both
> >>> >>> organizations
> >>> >>> >> so that a
> >>> >>> >> >>> wholistic
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> portrait of this
> >>> issue
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> can
> >>> be
> >>> >>> exercised.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> and
> >>> >>> its split
> >>> >>> >> from the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB. This
> >>> seems like a
> >>> >>> >> productive and
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> enlightening
> >>> >>> discussion
> >>> >>> >> but I
> >>> >>> >> >>> wonder, if the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Federation and
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> council claim to
> >>> >>> be
> >>> >>> >> friends, should
> >>> >>> >> >>> there not
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be
> >>> representation
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> from
> >>> >>> >> both sides,
> >>> identifying
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> their position
> >>> and
> >>> >>> whereabouts
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> they
> >>> stand, in
> >>> >>> this? At
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> ----
> >>> >>> Original
> >>> >>> >> Message
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ------
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> From: "Joe
> >>> >>> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> (by way of
> >>> David
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Subject:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
> >>> >>> Our Eyes
> >>> >>> >> interview,
> >>> >>> >> >>> Ride
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> into
> >>> History,Race
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> Independence,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Wed. June
> >>> 22, 8:00 pm
> >>> >>> EDT
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Date
> >>> >>> sent:
> >>> >>> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Save
> >>> >>> The
> >>> >>> >> Date:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> On
> >>> >>> Wednesday,
> >>> >>> >> June 22,at
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern,
> >>> Thru Our
> >>> >>> Eyes host,
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Ruffalo will
> >>> >>> >> interview
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs,
> >>> chair of the
> >>> >>> >> Imagination
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Fund,
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Race
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> Independence.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> The
> >>> >>> interview
> >>> >>> >> will highlight
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> current and past
> >>> grants
> >>> >>> awarded to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> state
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> affiliates
> >>> >>> >> and chapters.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> In
> >>> >>> addition,
> >>> >>> >> featured will
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> be Imaginators
> >>> who will share
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> methods
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> to
> >>> >>> make the
> >>> >>> >> ask to make a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> difference in
> >>> changing what
> >>> >>> it means
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >>> be blind.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Special
> >>> >>> >> highlight of the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> interview will
> >>> be the
> >>> >>> announcement of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >>> 30
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> winners who
> >>> >>> >> will have the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> opportunity to
> >>> be driven by a
> >>> >>> blind
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> driver
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> while
> >>> >>> >> attending
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> the
> >>> >>> national
> >>> >>> >> convention in
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Orlando.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Witness the
> >>> >>> >> opportunity to
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> ride into
> >>> history!
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> To
> >>> >>> watch and
> >>> >>> >> listen to the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> interview,
> >>> please visit the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> following:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> For
> >>> >>> JAWS
> >>> >>> >> users and mobile
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> phone users,
> >>> please visit
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> following:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> m.thruoureyes.org
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> Other options
> >>> >>> >> to watch or
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> listen can be
> >>> found on the
> >>> >>> sites
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> listed above.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> To
> >>> >>> call in
> >>> >>> >> with comments or
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> questions,
> >>> please dial the
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> following:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> 1
> >>> >>> 888 572
> >>> >>> >> 0141
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Join
> >>> >>> us to
> >>> >>> >> Make a
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Difference!
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >>
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