[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 23 03:24:28 UTC 2011
Kirt, its okay. You were the other person I was referencing. You and Josh
were involved.
Anyway its an interesting topic. Yes I've heard of blind people getting
ripped off but it hasn't happened to me. With cab drivers the customer gave
the cabby money and the cabby did not give the customer the right amount of
change back. They got a five not a ten or something like that.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Ashley,
That's kind of my fault-I was the one who didn't take the
conversation off-list so, if anyone's to be blamed, it's me.
And...yeah, profanity's bad. Why the hell would anyone swear?
*smile* But, to ask a serious question, have any of you ever been
jipped out of money because a sighted person lied to you? I'm pretty
sure it's rare, especially in public settings where other people are
watching but has it happened to anyone reading this?
Best,
Kirt
On 6/22/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Josh,
> Can you combine your thoughts into a few postings? You wrote ten messages
> on
> this. I checked my email twice this evening and found in the second check
> over 20 messages mostly between two people.
>
> Now as for the money identifier, there are several Apps for them if you
> have
> the I Phone and I believe Openbook and Kurzweil still recognize currency.
> So
> there are options, but I use the old fashioned way since I don't want to
> carry around an expensive piece of technology just for money
> identification.
> There is also the Knfb reader.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Gregory
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Hi, Jessica. There's another one? EyeNote is what I was talking
> about, but I didn't know there was another one. Do you by any
> chance know it's name?
> Best,
> Josh
> PS: Eyenote's free? Thought you had to pay for it. Well, we
> learn something new every day. (smile)
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jessica Silva <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> actually there is the one he speaks of but also there is the one
> made by the US treasury. it's called eyeNote and it's free.
>
> On Wed Jun 22nd, 2011 3:39 PM MDT Josh Gregory wrote:
>
> They've got an ap to help with identifying money for I O S
> devices, that was mentioned on this list before I think. I have
> heard it's only 2 bucks but that it works well. It might be in
> the ap store, but not having a device to check on, I'm not sure.
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:11:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want to
> know what
> it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it
> is? I know
> is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if
> that sighted
> person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
> I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the iBill
> identifier
> if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or
> the other,
> but so far, I can not afford either one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Kirt Manwaring
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:01 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview, Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Joshua,
> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that doesn't cost a
> thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you what your
> bills are
> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them in the
> future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going to fit in
> to
> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not ideal maybe but,
> hey,
> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get something
> with
> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40 cell. I used
> a
> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex for my
> first
> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> This is what Allan Ramos told me.
> He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
> He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the Blind,) (not
> to
> be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
> I'm going on what he said.
> Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew Jackson.
> Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his book, "Growth."
> I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative, but we don't
> have
> such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small town.
> It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB to push
> the
> companies that make accessible technologies, to make their
> technology
> affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
> That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge, (for example.)
> They will make this car, but they have to charge an obseen amount
> of
> money, for it.
> I'm not going to be able to afford it.
> I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille display, and my
> state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
> I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,) the IBill
> costs
> $100.
> The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is as small
> as a
> giga-pet.
> I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
> Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
> Make it affordable!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Josh,
> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not realistic.
> Can you
> see
> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has been
> and will
> always be a fabric of this country as it is in every country.
> Which
> country
> has only coins and know paper currency?
> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct me, but
> I do
> not
> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes. From my
> understanding
> they
> have been advocating a form of paper currency which is accessible
> and
> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means to
> make paper
> currency accessible.
>
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
> Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like
> a
> breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester
> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,
> Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
> accessible currency.
> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
> That isn't going to work.
> I have the answer to the problem.
> First of all, it's political.
> I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
> the side
> of the blind.
> When it comes to currency, they are.
> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
> standard?
> Coins are the answer to the problem.
> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
> We can't do this with paper currency.
> That solves the problems with our currency.
> This would help everyone, including us.
> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
> identify
> coins by their texture.
> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
> Yes, but is it worth it?
> Yes!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Jessica,
> Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind
> person to feel mobil
> even if they don't have good mobility skills and
> frankly I would rather have
> audible street lights then to see a blind person get
> killed because they
> could not figure out how the traffic goes.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> wrote:
>
> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
> 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
> There are certain types of
> intersections where no matter how long you stand
> there and
> listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
> so in
> those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that
> in mind
> when someone talks about every intersection being
> crossable
> by listening to traffic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Anmol,
> It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll
> be
> possible, some day. Never say
> never, ri9ght?
> But here's the thing. The two
> organizations have evolved two
> separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
> doing
> something really bad
> and generalizing. If anyone who knows
> more than
> I do wants to correct
> me here, feel free.
> The stance the ACB seems to take more
> often than
> not is to make the
> environment more accessible for us.
> This is
> evidenced by their
> support for audible street signals (which
> make a lot
> of sense to me,
> I'm not really convinced one way or the other
> on that
> one yet),
> tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
> provisions
> in the ADA to
> make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
> communications
> act, their
> support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
> design in
> technology, etc.
> They also use lots of their resources to
> fight
> descrimination, at
> least it seems that way to me.
> The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
> more often
> than not advocate us
> adapting to the environment. This is
> evidenced
> by the strict
> standards of training centers, pushing
> braille,
> opposition to the
> tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
> traffic
> rather than
> audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
> to me),
> our philosophy
> that with the right training and opportunity
> we can
> compete on an
> equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
> challenge,
> etc. Of course
> the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
> the
> environment (technology
> bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
> the ADA
> which we also
> supported), and the ACB does advocate for
> quality
> independence
> training/O&M. But, those are the
> rough
> philosophies of the two
> organizations, if we're going by their
> records.
> Is the ACB wrong?
> No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
> a fit
> with my vision of
> blindness. I just think thee two
> separate
> methodoligies willkeep us
> from ever uniting as one group...and that's
> ok.
> We all have the
> right, even the obligation to advocate for
> ourselves
> and those we
> represent. The ACB does it their way,
> we do it
> ours. Sometimes there
> is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
> take us in
> different
> directions and put us on opposite sides of
> important
> issues. When our
> aims are the same (or similar), we need to
> work
> together and present a
> united front. When we are at odds
> (which we
> often are, the two
> organizations really are very different), we
> both have
> the right to
> push our separate agendas and attempt to get
> our
> policies implimented.
> Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> politics. We don't have
> to be bitter about it and, on the personal
> level, we
> can still be good
> friends even when our politics are at odds.
> Just my thoughts,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Kirt,
> You bring some vary valid points, and yes
> we have
> beaten the
> democrats/republicans analogy to
> death but
> it keeps coming up as a
> comparison, so I will just say one thing
> about
> this. I may have already said
> this before on the list, but please
> furgive me if
> I have. The blind
> community is a to small of a community to
> be
> divided on partizen lines like
> democrats and republicans, and our
> challenges are
> to great to be divided
> like democrats and republicans. Sure
> there will be
> differences between
> members of the ACB and members of the NFB
> on how
> business should be
> conducted, but honestly there differences
> between
> members of each
> organization on how their organization
> should do
> business.
> True there were disagreement on how
> business
> should and leadership issues
> causing the split between the NFB and
> ACB, I
> consider the leadership issues
> to be pitty differences. Often when one
> candidate
> loses, they and their
> supporters go and form their on
> organization or
> chapter. This happened at my
> local NFB chapter and as a result we have
> two NFB
> chapters in a small town.
> Now some may consider this to be a good
> thing, but
> think about how much more
> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
> in
> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> fund raising and my volunteers for
> events. In
> addition, these types of
> childish arguements causes many blind
> people who
> otherwise may be involved
> in a blind organization to be a "fense
> sitters".
> Now using this analogy to
> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
> that NFB
> has, but they are not
> poor eather. Their attendence is not as
> large at
> the conventions, but it is
> not small eather. Think if both of these
> organizations were together how
> much more money we would have to do
> policy that
> each organization does or
> the advocacy work that each
> organization
> does, and think about how much
> larger the convention would be. We would
> pack two
> hotels full or near full.
> In addition, think about how much venders
> would be
> giving out in prizes
> because now insteading having to spend
> money to
> send their workers to two
> convention, they will only have to send
> their
> workers to one convention. In
> addition, most venders give out big
> prizes at each
> convention and if there
> was only one convention, they can give
> two
> prizes.
> However, you are right in that
> realistically the
> two organizations will not
> merge any time soon.
>
> best wishes,
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and
> they
> never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it
> is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> into History, Race for Independence,
> Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
> PM
> Anmol,
> I don't really see a
> merger
> happening any time soon,
> nor would I
> want it to. We've all beaten
> the
> democrat/republican
> analogy to
> death...but imagine Barack Obama and
> Mitt
> Romney in the
> same political
> party. It just wouldn't work.
> There are huge
> differences. It
> doesn't make the NFB better for
> everyone, but
> it makes the
> NFB better
> for me. I have lots of respect
> for my
> friends in the
> ACB who stand up
> and fight for their agenda.
> Lots of the
> times, it's
> the same as mine.
> When it's not, we can talk without
> being
> jackasses to each
> other and,
> in a lot of cases, the disagreement
> actually
> strengthens
> our
> friendship.
> I say diversity is
> good,
> competition is good, we
> need a free market
> of ideas. I respect ACB and the
> sincere
> people there
> trying to make
> the lives of blind people
> better. I
> happen to find
> the Federation
> philosophy and method more meaningful
> for
> me. I want
> to understand
> the split. From the little bit
> of
> studying I've done,
> I don't really
> think it was petty personal
> differences but
> rather
> differing
> philosophies about methodology and
> leadership
> that drove
> the two
> groups to separate. We can be
> different
> without being
> petty. We can
> disagree without being bigots.
> When our
> two
> organizations come down
> on opposite sides of important
> issues, as we
> often do, we
> need not be
> arrogant or self-rightious because we
> think
> we're
> right. The fact is,
> we disagree. And I think the
> disagreements are too
> central to our
> respective organizations for us to
> ever become
> one.
> But that doesn't
> mean we can't be friends, especially
> on a
> personal level.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Kirt,
> You are bringing up some vary
> good
> points...
> Understanding the history of
> the NFB and ACB is an import part
> in the
> history in
> the blind movement and
> an important part in the history
> of two
> organizations.
> Frankly in it is just
> my oppinion both organizations
> bring value
> and have
> and continue to make a
> difference for blind people
> across America
> on a daily
> bases. It is a shame
> that this split happened and just
> maybe
> the next
> generation of blind
> individuals our generation or
> those who
> are younger
> then can bring the two
> organizations together once
> again. Now
> this is just my
> translation and my
> oppinion, but it seems to
> me that
> the NFB ACB
> split happened over pitty
> differences and two individuals
> with
> different ideas
> fighting for power. It
> seems to me that the hate the
> two
> organizations have
> towards each other is
> not as strong amongest this
> generation.
> Infact many
> members of NABS of ACB
> and NABS of NFB are friends in
> life and
> attack on the
> other organization is
> usually not
> allow on each
> organization's mailing
> list.
> Dave, you are right that ACB does
> not have
> the same
> amount of people
> attending its' convention, but
> their
> attendence is not
> small eather. I would
> guess 1500 attend the ACB
> convention and
> all the major
> venders who attend
> the NFB convention attend the
> ACB
> convention. There
> are also quite a few
> young people who attend the ACB
> convention.
> Yes ACB does its' business
> different then
> NFB, but
> thats why they are a
> different organization. However,
> this does
> not make
> them any worse or better
> then the NFB.
> Just my thoughts and it would be
> great if
> we keep the
> attacks on each
> organization to as less as
> possible.
>
> Anmol
>
>
> I seldom think about my
> limitations, and
> they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning
> at
> times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> into History, Race for
> Independence,
> Wed. June 22,
> 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of
> Blind
> Students
> mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
> 12:25
> PM
> Dave,
> How long ago
> was
> this? Things could've
> changed
> since you last went
> if it's been a while, maybe?
> And, with respect,
> this
> is a big deal to
> a lot of us. I know for
> me it's
> a lot more than
> a
> "small
> consideration", I like to
> know the
> past as much as
> I can
> because it
> shaped the here and
> now. I can
> read the books
> put out
> by each
> organization-they probably
> both have
> lots of the
> truth
> intermingled
> with their respective
> agendas.
> But nothing
> beats
> talking to people
> who have studied the issues
> or,
> preferably, people
> who were
> actually
> there.
> All the
> best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/21/11, David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com
> wrote:
> The two biggest things I
> noticed
> at an ACB
> national
> convention were
> that the crowd was
> considerably
> smaller than
> that at a
> NFB convention
> -- less exhibits etc.
> too.
> The second
> things was
> that there were few
> young persons -- some
> but
> noticeably not
> very
> many. One of the major
> things that the ACB has
> pushed in
> the past is
> that it
> is different
> from the NFB, it does
> things
> differently
> etc.
> This doesn't really
> matter to younger people
> though,
> so they have
> little
> reason to join, so
> don't.
>
> You guys can spend lots
> of time on
> the
> history, and
> differences if
> you want -- but what is
> the
> point. It
> happened,
> it is over with and
> done. Yes we can
> and should
> learn from our
> history, but it is just
> one small consideration.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
> you wrote:
> Dave,
> I do see
> your
> point. Those
> alive at the time are not,
> and will
> probabluy never be
> friends. Heck,
> getting
> them to actually talk in
> peace would be the
> achievement
> of the
> century! if
> such a
> call were
> to hypothetically
> happen, how
> could we
> keep it from
> opening old wounds
> and stoking old
> fires?
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/20/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Our joint
> conference call
> isn't
> associated
> whatsoever with the
> proposition of a
> change in
> the NFB
> bylaw. If I'm setting
> this
> up, which it
> appears I am,
> I didn't
> even have
> the intention of
> mentioning that
> proposition on the
> call. The call's
> purpose is
> to learn the
> history of
> the NFB/ACB,
> with a
> little emphasis on
> the "civil war"
> period,
> from both
> sides so we
> are informed. I
> also want this
> call to
> start a
> discussion on
> the history of our
> movement and what
> we can
> learn from
> it, not
> only as
> Federationists,
> but as
> blind
> students.
> Jorge and I have found
> some ways that we
> can hold
> the call
> without
> making it a NABS
> membership call,
> if it is
> entirely
> necessary. And as to
> your
> comments about
> them not
> being our
> friends,
> then using your
> argument, the
> Republicans
> should not
> hear the
> Democrats point of
> view in meetings
> of
> Congress, but
> the two
> parties should be
> separated from
> each other
> for fear
> of their
> own side being
> attacked.
> We can
> keep our same
> opinions, and probably many
> Federationists
> and Council
> members
> who attend
> this call will.
> This is just a
> way that we
> can be
> more
> informed when forming
> these opinions.
>
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> loss of
> vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more
> about Camp
> Abilities
> and find a
> local camp near
> you, just click
> on this
> link to
> their
> national Web site:
>
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> visually
> impaired youth in
> Maryland have the
> ability
> to
> confidently say
> "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to
> learn more
> and to
> contribute:
>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
>
> Sent from
> my BrailleNote
>
>
> -----
> Original Message -----
> From: David
> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> To: National
> Association
> of Blind
> Students
> mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun,
> 19 Jun
> 2011 20:39:01
> -0500
> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride
> into
> History, Race
> for
> Independence, Wed.
> June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Chris:
>
> I don't want to
> friend
> anyone -- but
> I think
> this is a terrible
> idea!
> Remember the
> ACB split off
> from
> the NFB because they
> thought
> that we were all
> wrong,
> did our
> business in
> the wrong way etc. I
> am
> not going to say
> that we
> can't learn
> anything
> from the ACB, but
> not a
> history
> lesson. I
> was at a ACb
> National
> Convention a few years
> ago
> -- and heard the
> NFB
> attacked openly
> and
> indirectly. These
> folks
> are
> not our
> friends. We
> can work
> jointly at
> times, and should, and I
> don't think we
> should be
> against
> them, for
> the sake of it, as
> some of
> my old-timer
> friends are
> -- but a
> joint
> conference call on
> consideration of
> a change
> to a NFB
> division
> bylaw is going to
> far!
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:53 PM
> 6/19/2011, you
> wrote:
> Kirt,
>
> I have a friend
> in the
> Council that
> I will
> see Monday night, so I
> plan to give this
> idea to
> him and
> ask if he
> knows someone in the
> Council that
> would be
> knowledgeable
> enough
> and willing to attend
> this call on
> behalf of the
> Council
> as an
> expert on their history.
> Maybe it would be
> better
> if someone
> like me
> moderated. Keep in
> mind
> that I did
> volunteer, but
> I'm not
> degrading
> anyone else, I'm just
> using myself as
> an example
> here.
> I'm a
> member of the Federation,
> but I'm not a
> hard-line
> "NFB is
> good, ACB
> bad" person, so I
> wouldn't
> show any bias to
> NFB or
> ACB. I
> also am
> not currently a
> contributing
> (due-paying)
> member of
> NABS, so I'm
> not a
> leader in it of
> course.
> That way, we
> wouldn't have
> any
> bias.
> I think it would
> be easy
> to have it
> jointly
> attended even if it's
> an
> official NABS
> call.
> If we have a
> representative of ACB on the
> call,
> we could probably
> easily
> get other
> members of
> ACB on the call to
> kind of back up
> or add to
> that
> guest
> speaker's information.
> Thoughts?
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> loss of
> vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more
> about Camp
> Abilities
> and find a
> local camp near
> you,
> just click on
> this link to
> their
> national Web
> site:
>
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> visually
> impaired youth in
> Maryland
> have the ability
> to
> confidently say
> "I can!"
> How? Click on this
> link
> to learn more and
> to
> contribute:
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Sent from my
> BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original
> Message
> -----
> From: Kirt
> Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National
> Association
> of Blind
> Students
> mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun,
> 19 Jun
> 2011 00:45:08
> -0600
> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride
> into
> History, Race
> for
> Independence, Wed.
> June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Carley,
> The
> two
> organizations don't
> really claim to be "friends"
> as
> such-it
> seems like now
> they just
> mostly
> ignore each
> other, work jointly
> when
> their agendas
> converge and
> play
> politics when
> they don't. Maybe
> they
> aren't enemies,
> but the
> official
> organizations don't really
> advertise
> themselves as
> friends.
>
> While it
> would be great to
> have people from both
> organizations
> participate in a
> joint
> call, I don't
> see it
> happening. Here's
> hoping
> though, I
> guess It's
> certainly a
> nice
> thought-although, if the
> call
> were to have
> presentations
> from
> members of
> both organizations, it
> probably should
> be jointly
> moderated
> and
> attended. The NFB (or
> probably even
> NABS) would,
> I'm
> betting, not
> be inclined to go
> there.
> So maybe we'll
> have better
> luck
> going through
> unnoficial channels
> and
> setting this up
> on our
> own? No
> need to
> make it an official event
> for
> either the
> Federation or
> the
> Council-I think
> it's safe to say
> that
> idea was doomed
> to fail
> before it
> was brought
> up.
>
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/18/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> wrote:
> And, as I said
> before, I
> would be
> very
> willing to moderate this
> call.
> Please keep me
> posted!
>
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> loss of
> vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more
> about Camp
> Abilities
> and find a
> local camp near
> you, just click
> on this
> link to
> their
> national Web site:
>
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> visually
> impaired youth in
> Maryland have the
> ability
> to
> confidently say
> "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to
> learn more
> and to
> contribute:
>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Sent
> from my
> BrailleNote
>
>
> -----
> Original Message
> -----
> From: Ignasi
> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> To: National
> Association
> of Blind
> Students
> mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat,
> 18 Jun
> 2011 18:51:04
> -0400
> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride
> into
> History, Race
> for
> Independence, Wed.
> June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> This call would
> be very
> interesting
> indeed. If
> representatives
> from both
> organizations
> are willing
> to
> participate, it can really
> be productive in
> many
> ways.
> On Jun 18, 2011,
> at 1:46
> PM, Carly
> Mihalakis
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Good
> morning,
> list,
>
> A
> few days
> ago, someone on
> the NABS list suggested
> a
> conference
> call bringing
> clarity to a
> younger
> generation. What,
> exactly, is
> the history of
> the
> ideological
> parting of
> ways, between the
> Federation and
> the
> Council? Does
> anybody know
> today, the history
> of this division
> or is it
> a product
> of sheer
> habit as is the case
> with Republicans
> and
> Democrats? If
> such a
> meeting of both
> entities were to
> take
> place, There
> ought to
> be representation of
> both
> organizations
> so that a
> wholistic
> portrait of this issue
> can be
> exercised.
>
> and
> its split
> from the
> ACB. This seems like a
> productive and
> enlightening
> discussion
> but I
> wonder, if the
> Federation and the
> council claim to
> be
> friends, should
> there not
> be representation
> from
> both sides, identifying
> their position and
> whereabouts
> they stand, in
> this? At
> ----
> Original
> Message
> ------
>
> From: "Joe
> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com
> (by way of David
> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>
> Subject:
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
> Our Eyes
> interview,
> Ride
> into History,Race
> for
> Independence,
> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
> EDT
> Date
> sent:
> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> 19:26:45 -0500
>
>
> Save
> The
> Date:
>
> On
> Wednesday,
> June 22,at
> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our
> Eyes host,
> Joe
>
> Ruffalo will
> interview
> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> Imagination
> Fund,
> Race
> for
> Independence.
>
> The
> interview
> will highlight
> current and past grants
> awarded to
> state
>
> affiliates
> and chapters.
> In
> addition,
> featured will
> be Imaginators who will share
> the
> methods
> to
> make the
> ask to make a
> difference in changing what
> it means
> to be blind.
>
>
> Special
> highlight of the
> interview will be the
> announcement of
> the 30
>
> winners who
> will have the
> opportunity to be driven by a
> blind
> driver
>
> while
> attending
> the
> national
> convention in
> Orlando.
>
>
> Witness the
> opportunity to
> ride into history!
>
> To
> watch and
> listen to the
> interview, please visit the
> following:
>
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>
> For
> JAWS
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> phone users, please visit
> the
> following:
>
>
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>
>
> Other options
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>
> To
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> with comments or
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