[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Sat Jun 25 00:14:18 UTC 2011

Anmol,
  I should never say I'm leaving-people always say stuff and I can't
stay away.  Here's the thing about India.  As large as the population
is (massive!), there's not near the infrastructure to replace.  I hope
that will change as India's economy becomes more and more developed
and the middle class gets larger but, as it stands now, I think doing
this in the US would be a lot harder than in India because of all the
machinery that would need to be redone.
  Best,
Kirt

On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kirt,
> The population of UK may be five times less then US, but the population of
> my country of India is 1 billion  almost three times more then the US and
> still we have currency wich can be identifiable by the blind. So if India
> can make the transition without a problem, then it should not be that
> difficult for the US.
>
> Anmol
>
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 10:49 PM
>> Carley,
>>   Cool!  I've never been a science guy.  I'm
>> going to straite my brain
>> and leave the list for a couple days.  Enjoy,
>> everyone.
>>
>> On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, Kurt,
>> >
>> > As I understand it, a muscle striates when it is
>> active. If
>> > therefore, a law, procedure or cultural norm striates,
>> it flexes its
>> > muscle, thus changing states.
>> > Have fun, Kurt!
>> > Car23/2011, you wrote:
>> >>Carly,
>> >>   I'm not exactly sure what a
>> striation is.  The NFBwas opposed to
>> >>such a measure, and I think they were right to be
>> against it for
>> >>reasons I've already mentioned.  But, after
>> the federal court judge
>> >>decided to side with the ACB, the NFB decided,
>> rightly, that it may as
>> >>well be a part of the process since it was going to
>> happen anyway.  I
>> >>don't really see the harm in this, do you?
>> >>   Best,
>> >>Kirt
>> >>
>> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Good morning, Kirt,
>> >> >
>> >> >          'Seems to
>> me though, that one ought to be able to determine
>> >> > shades of their own reality, which is how I
>> understand the Federation
>> >> > wants its members, to conduct themselves, in
>> the world. Yet, beyond
>> >> > the elaborate striations the existing system
>> will need to experience,
>> >> > if such a change were to be made, how come
>> the Federation
>> >> > didn't  speak up when it was asked, by
>> the Mint last time that entity
>> >> > produced curency?
>> >> > :
>> >> >>Carly,
>> >> >>   We all make
>> mistakes.  No worries.
>> >> >>   Now, just for the heck
>> of it, I'd like to address a point I think
>> >> >>you made earlier.  (I'm only
>> guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>> >> >>the whole message to me)  But I think
>> you said something like this.
>> >> >>"The federation is kind of hypocritical
>> because they rap ad noseum
>> >> >>about independence but are stuck relying
>> on sighted people to help
>> >> >>them-depending on another person isn't
>> independence at all!"  If I'm
>> >> >>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I can see you
>> saying something like that
>> >> >>so it's just my guess of what you said
>> from the little bit gmail was
>> >> >>able to read me.
>> >> >>   Here's the thing about
>> that.  Independence does not mean do
>> >> >>everything by yourself all the time.
>> It simply means you can do what
>> >> >>you want to, when you want to do it, in a
>> way that's efficient and
>> >> >>works for you.  It means, basically,
>> that you aren't subject to
>> >> >>another person's vision of your life, you
>> do things the way you wish
>> >> >>to do them.  It also means you do
>> this without really making anyone
>> >> >>else go much out of their way to help
>> you.
>> >> >>   So think of it this
>> way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
>> >> >>most of those will be honest, almost all
>> will be honest with other
>> >> >>people watching.  If you ask that
>> person "hey, what's this bill you're
>> >> >>handing me?" that's in no way compromising
>> your independence.  Using
>> >> >>technology is better because it takes away
>> the outside chance that
>> >> >>someone's trying to pull off some funny
>> business but, without the
>> >> >>technology, you're still probably safe
>> most of the time.  As we've
>> >> >>seen already from other posts, nothing is
>> fool proof.
>> >> >>   But back to independence
>> and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
>> >> >>used a reader?  If you have, you're
>> using another person, who's
>> >> >>chosing to do something they don't have to
>> do; either they get money
>> >> >>or they don't, but it works because you
>> get the job done and you
>> >> >>aren't forcing them to do it for
>> you.  They chose to provide their
>> >> >>time to read you something-you aren't
>> making them do anything.  Have
>> >> >>you ever used a sighted guide?  I do,
>> all the time.  (I'm starting to
>> >> >>less and less just to keep my cane skills
>> up but sometimes it's just
>> >> >>the most efficient way to get stuff
>> done.)  You can get somewhere
>> >> >>independently and use a sighted guide, as
>> long as you're getting there
>> >> >>on your terms and you could do it without
>> a guide there.
>> >> >>   See what I'm
>> saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't
>> mutually
>> >> >>exclusive.
>> >> >>   Best,
>> >> >>Kirt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 'Morning, Kurt,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> 'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all those I'd
>> say
>> >> >> > off the wall comments, about the
>> Ibill.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Now a truth immerges which I failed
>> to state clearly, before.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 'was confused with the NoteTeller 2
>> which, experience has shown me is
>> >> >> > unreliable, at best.
>> >> >> > Carly even the person
>> >> >> >> > showing them couild not
>> make them work.
>> >> >> >> > It's interesting however
>> that folks on this List have found good
>> >> >> >> > luck
>> >> >> >> > with them.
>> >> >> >> > Carwrote:
>> >> >> >> >>That is your experience
>> -- mine is that the iBill works quite well
>> >> >> >> >>-- and I think others
>> have found this to be true too.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>Dave
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>At 05:08 PM 6/22/2011,
>> you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>Hi, Hamberto and all
>> interested folks,
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>Truth be known, my
>> common law husband and I had the I bill,
>> >> >> >> >>>courtesy of rehab
>> but, after repeated attempts to make the thing
>> >> >> >> >>>identify paper
>> currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of
>> >> >> >> >>> shit
>> >> >> >> >>>and is not worth
>> anything, so I submit that the manufacturers
>> >> >> >> >>> must
>> >> >> >> >>>be well aware of
>> their having themselves a niche market, in blind
>> >> >> >> >>>people and the deep
>> pocketed agencies who tend to support them,
>> >> >> >> >>> so
>> >> >> >> >>>are totally
>> exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware
>> >> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >> >>>the exisstance of a
>> small and needy marketplace.
>> >> >> >> >>>So, in essence,
>> don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
>> >> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11 PM
>> 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>Hello, but what
>> happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want
>> >> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >> >>>> what
>> >> >> >> >>>>it is, but there
>> is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it
>> >> >> >> >>>> is? I
>> >> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >> >>>>is a free
>> alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if
>> >> >> >> >>>> that
>> >> >> >> >>>> sighted
>> >> >> >> >>>>person lies
>> about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>> >> >> >> >>>>I would probably
>> support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
>> >> >> >> >>>> iBill
>> >> >> >> >>>> identifier
>> >> >> >> >>>>if they were
>> even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or
>> >> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>> other,
>> >> >> >> >>>>but so far, I
>> can not afford either one.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
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