[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Anmol Bhatia anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 25 00:06:29 UTC 2011 

Kirt,
The population of UK may be five times less then US, but the population of my country of India is 1 billion  almost three times more then the US and still we have currency wich can be identifiable by the blind. So if India can make the transition without a problem, then it should not be that difficult for the US.

Anmol

I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 10:49 PM
> Carley,
>   Cool!  I've never been a science guy.  I'm
> going to straite my brain
> and leave the list for a couple days.  Enjoy,
> everyone.
> 
> On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi, Kurt,
> >
> > As I understand it, a muscle striates when it is
> active. If
> > therefore, a law, procedure or cultural norm striates,
> it flexes its
> > muscle, thus changing states.
> > Have fun, Kurt!
> > Car23/2011, you wrote:
> >>Carly,
> >>   I'm not exactly sure what a
> striation is.  The NFBwas opposed to
> >>such a measure, and I think they were right to be
> against it for
> >>reasons I've already mentioned.  But, after
> the federal court judge
> >>decided to side with the ACB, the NFB decided,
> rightly, that it may as
> >>well be a part of the process since it was going to
> happen anyway.  I
> >>don't really see the harm in this, do you?
> >>   Best,
> >>Kirt
> >>
> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Good morning, Kirt,
> >> >
> >> >          'Seems to
> me though, that one ought to be able to determine
> >> > shades of their own reality, which is how I
> understand the Federation
> >> > wants its members, to conduct themselves, in
> the world. Yet, beyond
> >> > the elaborate striations the existing system
> will need to experience,
> >> > if such a change were to be made, how come
> the Federation
> >> > didn't  speak up when it was asked, by
> the Mint last time that entity
> >> > produced curency?
> >> > :
> >> >>Carly,
> >> >>   We all make
> mistakes.  No worries.
> >> >>   Now, just for the heck
> of it, I'd like to address a point I think
> >> >>you made earlier.  (I'm only
> guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
> >> >>the whole message to me)  But I think
> you said something like this.
> >> >>"The federation is kind of hypocritical
> because they rap ad noseum
> >> >>about independence but are stuck relying
> on sighted people to help
> >> >>them-depending on another person isn't
> independence at all!"  If I'm
> >> >>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I can see you
> saying something like that
> >> >>so it's just my guess of what you said
> from the little bit gmail was
> >> >>able to read me.
> >> >>   Here's the thing about
> that.  Independence does not mean do
> >> >>everything by yourself all the time. 
> It simply means you can do what
> >> >>you want to, when you want to do it, in a
> way that's efficient and
> >> >>works for you.  It means, basically,
> that you aren't subject to
> >> >>another person's vision of your life, you
> do things the way you wish
> >> >>to do them.  It also means you do
> this without really making anyone
> >> >>else go much out of their way to help
> you.
> >> >>   So think of it this
> way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
> >> >>most of those will be honest, almost all
> will be honest with other
> >> >>people watching.  If you ask that
> person "hey, what's this bill you're
> >> >>handing me?" that's in no way compromising
> your independence.  Using
> >> >>technology is better because it takes away
> the outside chance that
> >> >>someone's trying to pull off some funny
> business but, without the
> >> >>technology, you're still probably safe
> most of the time.  As we've
> >> >>seen already from other posts, nothing is
> fool proof.
> >> >>   But back to independence
> and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
> >> >>used a reader?  If you have, you're
> using another person, who's
> >> >>chosing to do something they don't have to
> do; either they get money
> >> >>or they don't, but it works because you
> get the job done and you
> >> >>aren't forcing them to do it for
> you.  They chose to provide their
> >> >>time to read you something-you aren't
> making them do anything.  Have
> >> >>you ever used a sighted guide?  I do,
> all the time.  (I'm starting to
> >> >>less and less just to keep my cane skills
> up but sometimes it's just
> >> >>the most efficient way to get stuff
> done.)  You can get somewhere
> >> >>independently and use a sighted guide, as
> long as you're getting there
> >> >>on your terms and you could do it without
> a guide there.
> >> >>   See what I'm
> saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't
> mutually
> >> >>exclusive.
> >> >>   Best,
> >> >>Kirt
> >> >>
> >> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'Morning, Kurt,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >         
> 'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all those I'd
> say
> >> >> > off the wall comments, about the
> Ibill.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now a truth immerges which I failed
> to state clearly, before.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'was confused with the NoteTeller 2
> which, experience has shown me is
> >> >> > unreliable, at best.
> >> >> > Carly even the person
> >> >> >> > showing them couild not
> make them work.
> >> >> >> > It's interesting however
> that folks on this List have found good
> >> >> >> > luck
> >> >> >> > with them.
> >> >> >> > Carwrote:
> >> >> >> >>That is your experience
> -- mine is that the iBill works quite well
> >> >> >> >>-- and I think others
> have found this to be true too.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Dave
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>At 05:08 PM 6/22/2011,
> you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Hi, Hamberto and all
> interested folks,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>Truth be known, my
> common law husband and I had the I bill,
> >> >> >> >>>courtesy of rehab
> but, after repeated attempts to make the thing
> >> >> >> >>>identify paper
> currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of
> >> >> >> >>> shit
> >> >> >> >>>and is not worth
> anything, so I submit that the manufacturers
> >> >> >> >>> must
> >> >> >> >>>be well aware of
> their having themselves a niche market, in blind
> >> >> >> >>>people and the deep
> pocketed agencies who tend to support them,
> >> >> >> >>> so
> >> >> >> >>>are totally
> exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware
> >> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >> >>>the exisstance of a
> small and needy marketplace.
> >> >> >> >>>So, in essence,
> don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
> >> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11 PM
> 6/22/2011, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>Hello, but what
> happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want
> >> >> >> >>>> to
> >> >> >> >>>> know
> >> >> >> >>>> what
> >> >> >> >>>>it is, but there
> is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it
> >> >> >> >>>> is? I
> >> >> >> >>>> know
> >> >> >> >>>>is a free
> alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if
> >> >> >> >>>> that
> >> >> >> >>>> sighted
> >> >> >> >>>>person lies
> about the amount of money that is on the bill?
> >> >> >> >>>>I would probably
> support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
> >> >> >> >>>> iBill
> >> >> >> >>>> identifier
> >> >> >> >>>>if they were
> even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or
> >> >> >> >>>> the
> >> >> >> >>>> other,
> >> >> >> >>>>but so far, I
> can not afford either one.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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