[nabs-l] [Nonetheless] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Tue Jun 28 04:11:35 UTC 2011

A thermometer.  And if you’re flipping burgers at a fast food 
restaurant, there’s a precise method of cooking burgers anyway that 
is set-and-forget.  Burger King, one of the most "normal cooking 
like" of chains,  has them run through a broiler on a conveyer, for 
example.  

I hear on this list a whole lot of excuses for why a blind person 
can’t do something.  Are we truly as blind people this helpless?  I 
was under the general impression I was in the National Federation of 
the Blind for some reason.  The NFB I was raised in answers "You 
can’t do it" with "You just watch us find a way!"  What happened?

Joseph

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 06:13:36PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote:
>Really, do you know anyone blind doing that? Also remember you cannot 
>touch the meat due to sanitation regulations.  How would you know 
>your burgers are done in that industrail kitchen?
>
>-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter
>Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:39 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nonetheless] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride 
>into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
>Who says we can’t flip burgers or make like anyone else that age?
>
>The reality is that we are seldom hired for these jobs, but who says
>we cannot do them?  I see no reason why we could not learn to do
>those things.
>
>Joseph
>
>On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 06:16:18PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi, Jose[ph,
>>
>>And, just how would you earn a living, while going through school?
>>What job would you get?
>>'Fact seems to me that, we are not the same! Jobs we can do are 
>>dependant on our having some schooling under our belts, with which 
>>we are able to make a meaningful contribution to some project or 
>>service.   Why?  Because we havenâ€™t got the skills to keep up.  
>>Why?  Because the same system that is giving us our little handout 
>>(for which Iâ€™m told we should be grateful) has actively 
>>interfered in our efforts to be and do better than that. As for 
>>suing, how, whom, and why?  My benefits were never actually 
>>stopped, only threatened.  Just enough to keep me jumping for my 
>>government slavemasters.  I was entitled to, had, and won each of 
>>my appeals, so the system worked as designed. Iâ€™m just no longer 
>>willing to be a slave. Joseph On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 01:18:23PM 
>>-0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >Joseph, >  You make great points, and 
>>I really do feel for you.  That's >aweful...like, maybe get a 
>>social security lawyer kind of aweful. >  All I'm saying is, the 
>>way the system is intended to work (and the >way it works for a lot 
>>of us), SSI is necessary income.  I'm using it >so I don't starve 
>>through school; the minute I get out and find a >full-time job, I'm 
>>saying goodbye to my SSI for good.  That's how it >should be-use it 
>>to get yourself able to work then cut the cord.  I >know lots of 
>>people abuse it, I know it's poorly managed, and I know >you're 
>>getting screwed by the system.  But the way I see it, it's 
>>>designed to be a boost up to equality, not a handout.  Of course, 
>>>everyone doesn't use it that way. >  In any case, best of luck.  I 
>>hope things work out for you.  For >what it's worth, I'm sorry 
>>you're going through all this crap. >  Best wishes, >Kirt > >On 
>>6/25/11, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote: >> 
>>Kirt, >> >> Social Security and SSI are still a handout, and they 
>>come with >> strings attached that make getting off of them pretty 
>>difficult. >> Especially if you live in subsidized housing, collect 
>>food stamps, >> receive utility subsidies, etc.  If you do and you 
>>go and find >> yourself a job that doesnâ€™t pay enough, you will 
>>have a sudden net >> reduction in your income that already 
>>doesnâ€™t pay the bills. >> >> Iâ€™ve decided Iâ€™m getting off 
>>this roller coaster even if it makes me >> homeless in the process, 
>>because Iâ€™m sick and tired of living in fear >> that they might 
>>take away my benefits!  Iâ€™ve gotten three letters to >> that 
>>effect in the past two years, in the midst of cancer treatment >> 
>>for two of them, all with the customary 30 day appeal Iâ€™d better 
>>take >> advantage of if I want to be able to survive another month! 
>>>> >> Iâ€™m tired of getting paid to NOT work.  Iâ€™m tired of 
>>living in places >> where the government intrudes upon my home 
>>three times a year to make >> sure my landlord isnâ€™t complete 
>>pond scum (but allowing them to be >> one level removed from pond 
>>scum!)  Iâ€™m tired of being told that if I >> start working, my 
>>rent will suddenly be 120% of what anybody in their >> right might 
>>would ever pay for this dump.  And Iâ€™m tired of being >> told 
>>that theyâ€™re sorry, but I just donâ€™t qualify for the work >> 
>>incentives, or the better medical coverage, or the exemptions that 
>>>> might possibly allow me to save a few hundred dollars with which 
>>to
>>>>actually get out of here! >> >> Your not-a-handout Social Security
>>and SSI have made slaves of far >> too many of us.  Perfectly able 
>>to work, but afraid to try for fear >> that weâ€™ll lose what 
>>little weâ€™ve got. We are trapped in a prison of >> learned 
>>helplessness, and the only way out is to see these thingsâ€”all >> 
>>of them—for what they are: Government handoutss designed to keep us 
>>>> docile, afraid, and living in poverty. >> >> Iâ€™m done playing 
>>that game. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 09:13:21AM 
>>-0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>Carley, >>>  First off, I've done a 
>>bit of really light research and I was way >>>liberal about what I 
>>thought the cost of this would be.  It's probably >>>going to be in 
>>the neighborhood of $100 million, so I was way off. >>>That'll 
>>teach me not to make outlandish statements with no proof. >>>  But 
>>still, the point I made in my last message stands.  Of course I 
>>>>>don't want the government to write out a check for all of us-I 
>>was >>>trying to point out that trying to make all the cash out 
>>there more >>>"blind-friendly" is not necessary. Just like we don't 
>>need government >>>handouts (I'm not counting SSI as a government 
>>handout because that's >>>money lots of us genuinely need), we 
>>don't need the government >>>spending $100 million redesigning 
>>currency we can already use with >>>pretty much no problem.  
>>Honestly, if you think you can't afford an >>>iBill, there's 
>>probably something you're buying with your $680 a month
>>>>>that you really don't need. >>>  Just a thought, >>>Kirt >> >>
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