[nabs-l] Isn't it ironic?

Wed Mar 2 19:28:27 UTC 2011

Kirt,

Did you say which version of JFW you are using?  Accessibility with this and some other products will only work if you have a fairly recent version.  I believe 
you have to have version 11 or 12, but it could even be you have to have version 12.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 08:39:08 -0700, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

>To all,
>  I'm not really annoyed with the blio's built-in Text-to-speech
>reader not reading the book.  That's not KNFB's fault.  I am more
>annoyed that Jaws couldn't read the straight book text when it was on
>the screen.
>  Best,
>Kirt

>On 3/1/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> It was probably something that the author did because of that stupid five
>> letter word that, in my personal opinion, is the root of many of our
>> problems.
>> MONEY.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Isn't it ironic?
>>
>>
>>> :)  It's not just that the Blio text to speech was turned off.  But
>>> jaws wasn't able to read the book text on the screen.  That to me
>>> seems like the bigger oversight.  And, cause I'm mad and angry and
>>> fired up and stuff, I might as well shoot technical support a nice,
>>> friendly email.
>>>  Best to all,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 3/1/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Good point. Maybe the author did it; it may not have anything to do with
>>>> the
>>>> Blio reader's function.
>>>> Kirt, I'd encourage you to report this problem.
>>>> Ash;ley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:11 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Isn't it ironic?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kirt and all,
>>>>
>>>> It's really unfortunate that the speech was turned off on the book you
>>>> bought from the BLIO store. Not knowing much about the BLIO myself, I
>>>> wonder if this is an oversight on KNFB's part or if this is just
>>>> something some authors have done that KNFB isn't aware of? I also
>>>> wonder if this happens with many of their books or just a few? If you
>>>> are motivated (you might not be, having found a better solution, but
>>>> if you are) you may want to report what happened to their technical
>>>> support with an email or phone call.
>>>>
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> To everyone again,
>>>>> (Courtney, I'll email you soon)
>>>>>   It's official.  The Kindel beats the Blio for accessibility.  I've
>>>>> never used the thing and I'm reading ok.  (amazon actually has
>>>>> documentation for the Kindel accessible plugin, unlike our very own
>>>>> KNFB blio)  So...yeah, maybe law suits are good every now and again.
>>>>> And maybe KNFB needs a good wakeup call...I know I'm going to be
>>>>> skeptical of anything else they put out after this debacle.
>>>>>   Best,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/1/11, Courtney Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Kurt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you from personal experience that the Kindle AP is
>>>>>> phenomenal!  Yes, there are definite problems; the navigation needs
>>>>>> some work; it's hard to navigate by chapter instead of page etc. etc.,
>>>>>> but everything I've tried reading is accessible.  The voice isn't that
>>>>>> great, but it's definitely readable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have questions, feel free to E-mail me off list at
>>>>>> cstover165 at gmail.com  I certainly don't know everything, but I'll do
>>>>>> my best to help with what I do, and not to sound arrogant, I'm a very
>>>>>> good researcher, so if I don't know something, I should be able to
>>>>>> find out how to do it within twenty-four hours.  I do quite a bit of
>>>>>> free-lance tutoring of blind individuals on mainstream technologies
>>>>>> and am planning to add this to my services list soon, so any questions
>>>>>> you may have would also be very helpful in terms of understanding what
>>>>>> obstacles my students will face, and what general areas I should cover
>>>>>> in the lessons.
>>>>>> Courtney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/1/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear List,
>>>>>>>   First...I'm breaking my vow of NABS abstainance!  I'm just too
>>>>>>> weak-willed.  Anyway...today I'm here to vent about a few things, so
>>>>>>> if you don't want to read I understand.
>>>>>>>   First...isn't it ironic how the Blio reader was marketed by the NFB
>>>>>>> as the biggest thing since sliced bread?  It was supposed to totally
>>>>>>> transform reading for blind consumers!  And guess what?  I downloaded
>>>>>>> the accessibility version, bought a 16 dollar book that just came out
>>>>>>> today (Kingkiller Chronicle, if there are any other fantasy geeks on
>>>>>>> here), and hit the "read aloud" button...only to find out the
>>>>>>> publisher hadn't authorized text to speech reading.  Then I thought
>>>>>>> "no matter, it's a product that the NFB helped develop.  Surely I can
>>>>>>> have jaws read the plain text in the book."  Only to find out
>>>>>>> that...guess what?  It won't.  I did a little bit of messing around in
>>>>>>> the application and couldn't figure it out.  I'm a little
>>>>>>> disappointed.
>>>>>>>   But I want the book tonight!  So here's to wasting another 16
>>>>>>> dollars, downloading the Kindle accessible app, and hoping it works
>>>>>>> ok.  Wouldn't it be kind of poetic if Amazon, after being sued, makes
>>>>>>> a more accessible product than a company run in part by the NFB?
>>>>>>>   Best,
>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>
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