[nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint

Wed Mar 16 22:49:54 UTC 2011

I agree.  Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback 
from users on accessibility.  Obviously there are still things 
that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached 
google and offer to help with that process?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps 
complaint

I don't know,
this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on 
this very list about
precisely how accessible Google Apps are.

Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to 
get attention.

And get attention for what exactly?

Jorge

On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of 
> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and 
> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an 
> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good 
> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other 
> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac, 
> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my 
> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and 
> add events etc.
> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated 
> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be 
> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind 
> people in those universities is lying. My university uses 
> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use 
> it...!!
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>
>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>
>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>
>> Or Google?
>>
>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix 
>> that problem.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have 
>>> innovated and
>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW 
>>> works, but
>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies 
>>> doing
>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB 
>>> getting
>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader 
>>> companies are
>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused 
>>> to work on
>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National 
>>>> filed regarding
>>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>>
>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but 
>>>>> the rest isn't.
>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of 
>>>> yet),
>>>>
>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>
>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that 
>>>> everything be
>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or 
>>>> are we complaining
>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could 
>>>> potentially pose
>>>> problems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
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