[nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint

Wed Mar 16 22:31:25 UTC 2011

The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the NFB not
wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with google.  I
know the Federation has money to spare...but going up against the
likes of google and winning would take a lot of money and, probably,
litigation.  So maybe they see this as a way to bring about some
limited improvements and set a precident for the future?  Sounds like
a stretch, but it's all I can think of.
  Best,
Kirt

On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree.  Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback
> from users on accessibility.  Obviously there are still things
> that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached
> google and offer to help with that process?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
> complaint
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>
> I don't know,
> this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on
> this very list about
> precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
>
> Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to
> get attention.
>
> And get attention for what exactly?
>
> Jorge
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
>> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
>> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
>> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an
>> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good
>> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other
>> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac,
>> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my
>> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and
>> add events etc.
>> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
>> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
>> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
>> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
>> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
>> it...!!
>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>
>>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>>
>>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>>
>>> Or Google?
>>>
>>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
>>> that problem.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
>>>> innovated and
>>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
>>>> works, but
>>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
>>>> doing
>>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
>>>> getting
>>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>>> companies are
>>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
>>>> to work on
>>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National
>>>>> filed regarding
>>>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but
>>>>>> the rest isn't.
>>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
>>>>> yet),
>>>>>
>>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>>>> everything be
>>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or
>>>>> are we complaining
>>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
>>>>> potentially pose
>>>>> problems?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>
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