[nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint

Thu Mar 17 20:22:52 UTC 2011

Ashley,
  You do?  It remembers for me.

On 3/17/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ic,
> That is not the case with educational institutions who use the google email
> platform.
> You can switch to basic html which is what I do to read email; otherwise no
> links open and jaws does not read buttons.
> But no gmail does NOT remember I want to keep it as basic html. I have to
> change that every time I log into the system!
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:41 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>
> In case it helps, the link you can use to switch to the more accessible
> version of google mail is located right before the copyright notice at the
> bottom of the gmail site. Log in, and look for it. It's called "classic
> html" or "basic html" or something like that. You only have to do this once.
> Whenever you log in after that, it will remember that you want the basic
> html site and not the regular one.
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am by no means an expert in the field of technology, but I do know from
>> my own personal experience that the Google applications used by some
>> colleges and universities are not accessible. I know this to be true
>> because my college uses the Google email application for its email system,
>>
>> and somehow it is set up differently than a regular Google account, and as
>>
>> such is not accessible. I would imagine that the national office is
>> choosing to go after the colleges and not google because the colleges have
>>
>> a choice in what they choose to use when it comes to disseminating
>> electronic information. I believe it would be the responsibility of the
>> college or university to ensure that the software programs they use are
>> accessible to all students.
>>
>> Just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:31:25 -0600
>>> From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>>>
>>> The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the NFB not
>>> wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with google. I
>>> know the Federation has money to spare...but going up against the
>>> likes of google and winning would take a lot of money and, probably,
>>> litigation. So maybe they see this as a way to bring about some
>>> limited improvements and set a precident for the future? Sounds like
>>> a stretch, but it's all I can think of.
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback
>>>> from users on accessibility. Obviously there are still things
>>>> that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached
>>>> google and offer to help with that process?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
>>>> complaint
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know,
>>>> this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on
>>>> this very list about
>>>> precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to
>>>> get attention.
>>>>
>>>> And get attention for what exactly?
>>>>
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
>>>>> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
>>>>> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an
>>>>> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good
>>>>> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other
>>>>> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac,
>>>>> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my
>>>>> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and
>>>>> add events etc.
>>>>> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
>>>>> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
>>>>> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
>>>>> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
>>>>> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
>>>>> it...!!
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or Google?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
>>>>>> that problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
>>>>>>> innovated and
>>>>>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
>>>>>>> works, but
>>>>>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>>>>>> companies are
>>>>>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
>>>>>>> to work on
>>>>>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National
>>>>>>>> filed regarding
>>>>>>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but
>>>>>>>>> the rest isn't.
>>>>>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
>>>>>>>> yet),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>>>>>>> everything be
>>>>>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or
>>>>>>>> are we complaining
>>>>>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
>>>>>>>> potentially pose
>>>>>>>> problems?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>
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