[nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint

Laura Glowacki orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com
Thu Mar 17 21:27:23 UTC 2011 

Ashley,

You need to click the "basic html" option located at the bottom 
of the page above the copyright information.  But then you also, 
after that, need to scroll back up to the top of the page.  Arrow 
down until you hear "you are currently viewing gmail in html". 
There are two links below that, and the second says something 
like "set basic html as default view."

Then gmail will remember your html setting when viewing your 
email through the gmail site.

HTH,
Laura

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps 
complaint


Ashley,
  You do?  It remembers for me.

On 3/17/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
wrote:
> Ic,
> That is not the case with educational institutions who use the 
> google email
> platform.
> You can switch to basic html which is what I do to read email; 
> otherwise no
> links open and jaws does not read buttons.
> But no gmail does NOT remember I want to keep it as basic html. 
> I have to
> change that every time I log into the system!
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:41 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps 
> complaint
>
> In case it helps, the link you can use to switch to the more 
> accessible
> version of google mail is located right before the copyright 
> notice at the
> bottom of the gmail site. Log in, and look for it. It's called 
> "classic
> html" or "basic html" or something like that. You only have to 
> do this once.
> Whenever you log in after that, it will remember that you want 
> the basic
> html site and not the regular one.
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am by no means an expert in the field of technology, but I 
>> do know from
>> my own personal experience that the Google applications used 
>> by some
>> colleges and universities are not accessible. I know this to 
>> be true
>> because my college uses the Google email application for its 
>> email system,
>>
>> and somehow it is set up differently than a regular Google 
>> account, and as
>>
>> such is not accessible. I would imagine that the national 
>> office is
>> choosing to go after the colleges and not google because the 
>> colleges have
>>
>> a choice in what they choose to use when it comes to 
>> disseminating
>> electronic information. I believe it would be the 
>> responsibility of the
>> college or university to ensure that the software programs 
>> they use are
>> accessible to all students.
>>
>> Just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:31:25 -0600
>>> From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps 
>>> complaint
>>>
>>> The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the 
>>> NFB not
>>> wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with 
>>> google. I
>>> know the Federation has money to spare...but going up against 
>>> the
>>> likes of google and winning would take a lot of money and, 
>>> probably,
>>> litigation. So maybe they see this as a way to bring about 
>>> some
>>> limited improvements and set a precident for the future? 
>>> Sounds like
>>> a stretch, but it's all I can think of.
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking 
>>>> feedback
>>>> from users on accessibility. Obviously there are still 
>>>> things
>>>> that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually 
>>>> approached
>>>> google and offer to help with that process?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
>>>> complaint
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know,
>>>> this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has 
>>>> been on
>>>> this very list about
>>>> precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying 
>>>> to
>>>> get attention.
>>>>
>>>> And get attention for what exactly?
>>>>
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms 
>>>>> of
>>>>> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email 
>>>>> and
>>>>> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has 
>>>>> an
>>>>> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the 
>>>>> good
>>>>> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through 
>>>>> other
>>>>> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my 
>>>>> Mac,
>>>>> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get 
>>>>> my
>>>>> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar 
>>>>> and
>>>>> add events etc.
>>>>> In other words, I think this complaint should have 
>>>>> formulated
>>>>> differently. There are lots of things that can and should 
>>>>> be
>>>>> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
>>>>> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can 
>>>>> use
>>>>> it...!!
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or Google?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
>>>>>> that problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
>>>>>>> innovated and
>>>>>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
>>>>>>> works, but
>>>>>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader 
>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the 
>>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>>>>>> companies are
>>>>>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever 
>>>>>>> refused
>>>>>>> to work on
>>>>>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint 
>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>> filed regarding
>>>>>>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible 
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> the rest isn't.
>>>>>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> yet),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> everything be
>>>>>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> are we complaining
>>>>>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that 
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> potentially pose
>>>>>>>> problems?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>
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