[nabs-l] NBA basketball

Jorge Paez computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Tue May 3 11:43:05 UTC 2011 

LOL.
Thought it would be NHl you'd pick.


On May 3, 2011, at 12:58 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

> So...how bout them Grizlies?  ;)
> 
> On 5/2/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>> Let's change the subject line now, shall we? * smile *
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:35:18 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>> 
>>> Hey Kirt:
>> 
>>> The Mavericks blitzed the Trailblazers so NBA is of no use to me
>> anymore
>>> this year. (grin)
>> 
>>> Now if the Washington Capitals can knock off the Tampa Bay
>> Lightning in the
>>> NHL so we can in the end have a Capitals Canuks Stanley Cup Final
>> .. Now
>>> there's something to care about! :-)
>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Kirt Manwaring
>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:18 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> Very, very well said.  Except for the bit about no ultimate
>> meaning except
>>> for what we make of life (which, really, is kind of beyond the
>> scope of this
>>> meaningless conversation), I totally agree with you.
>>> Blindness is sometimes a pain in the ass, sometimes it really
>> makes no
>>> difference to life one way or another.  I guess the only benefit
>> blindness
>>> has ever given me is the opportunity to meet some friends who I
>> would
>>> otherwise never have known.  Other than that, if I'm weighing
>> pros and cons
>>> in my own life, blindness isn't really much of a good thing or a
>> bad
>>> thing...it's just kind of there.  It's certainly not a good
>> thing, I don't
>>> think-but it's not really that bad either.
>>> At any rate, there's plenty more important things to worry
>> about...like the
>>> NBA playoffs!  :)  Go Grizleys!  (I kind of adopted them as my
>> team after
>>> they upset the spurs-can you say bandwagon fan?)
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Kirt
>> 
>>> On 5/2/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> Chris:
>> 
>>>> I agree with you.  I did not, in fact, say that diversity could
>> be
>>>> negative although I dare say that quite a number of high school
>> kids
>>>> trying to "fit in" might think so.  In fact, to my way of
>> thinking,
>>>> physical diversity is neutral.  Intellectual diversity is
>> certainly an
>>>> advantage.  As for negative diversity -- let's see -- how about
>> the
>>>> presence of diseases such as sickle-cell anemia?  After all, the
>> genes
>>>> that code for this disease also confer some immunity to malaria.
>> Yet
>>>> few would disagree with those who seek to cure or eliminate this
>> disease.
>> 
>>>> Now I'm not saying blindness is a disease.  It is a physical
>> condition
>>>> resulting from the lack of one sense -- vision.  That's far from
>> being
>>>> a disease in my book.  But I don't believe blindness confers any
>>>> advantages, either.
>> 
>>>> Perhaps a sentence or two about my view of life might help you
>> to
>>>> understand where I'm coming from -- it's a view that Jedi does
>> not
>>>> subscribe to.  Long live diversity, eh?  Anyway, I am agnostic.
>>>> Therefore, I do not believe there is any meaning in life apart
>> from
>>>> the meaning we give it by our own actions.  Nor do I believe
>> there is
>>>> an ultimate purpose to existence except insofar as we overlay it
>> with a
>>> gloss of meaning of our own making.
>>>> Therefore, questions such as "why am I here?  Why was I blind?
>> What
>>>> purpose does my blindness serve in the larger scheme of things?"
>> have
>>>> no answers and, in fact, make no sense to even ask.  It's sort
>> of like
>>>> in quantum mechanics where it makes no sense to ask whether an
>>>> electron is a wave or a particle.
>> 
>>>> Anyway, with that world view in mind and bearing in mind that I
>>>> subscribe to the NFB notion that with training and opportunity,
>>>> blindness can be reduced to the level of a physical
>> inconvenience and
>>>> that we, the blind, are simply normal people who cannot see, I
>> do not
>>>> see that having blind people around confers some special
>> blessing on
>>>> society.  Blindness is just that -- the lack of sight.  I do not
>>>> believe that it renders us privy to special insights, miraculous
>>>> talents or capacities or special cultural predilections.  I am
>>>> therefore not committed to its preservation.  Neither, on the
>> other
>>>> hand, am I committed to its eradication.  If it happens, so be
>> it.  If
>>>> it does not, so be it.  I'm not going to worry overly-much about
>> it
>>>> since it won't happen in my lifetime and there will be
>> innumerable
>>> circumstances I cannot foresee so cannot make a binding judgment
>> upon.
>> 
>>>> Bottom line: I don't see how we can say that blindness is just
>> the
>>>> lack of eyesight while at the same time believing it confers
>> special
>>>> virtues or valuable traits for society.  I truly do not believe
>>>> blindness to be all that much of a muchness.  Sometimes it's a
>> pain;
>>> sometimes it's just there.
>>>> In my experience, it's never the catalyst for wisdom or
>> enlightenment.
>> 
>>>> Now that I've written this to death, on to the next issue!
>> (smile)
>> 
>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>> 
>>>> Being Devil's advocate, what negativity does diversity have?
>>>> Diversity, by definition, isn't good nor bad, but just
>> different.
>>>> So, what is the negative impact of diversity on...  who,
>> society?
>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>> motto)
>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:25:10 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>> 
>>>> That presumes that diversity always equals benefit.  You and I
>> are
>>>> going to have to differ on this one.
>> 
>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>> 
>>>> I say that disability is a form of diversity, so I wouldn't want
>> to
>>>> erase it.
>> 
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Jedi
>> 
>>>> Original message:
>>>> Hello all,
>> 
>>>> This is an interesting discussion, so I thought I'd pop in for
>> a minute.
>> 
>>>> This question goes, at the root of it, to how you view
>> disability.
>>>> If  you view it as an aspect that creates diversity, then
>> erasing it
>>>> would  be like erasing races or different languages.  If you
>> view
>>>> disability  as a disease, then logically the first response
>> would be to
>>> want to cure it.
>> 
>>>> What do you guys think?
>> 
>>>> Briley
>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>> 
>>>> Arielle:
>>>> I think blindness does play a roll--in that it is just one of
>> many
>>>> things that make up an individual, and in a world where genetics
>>>> would be preprogramed, it just be too perfect.
>>>> It'd just bee too flawless--too artificial.
>>>> I'm sure some people would want it--but a world in which
>> blindness
>>>> and other disabilities are completely eradicated would just be
>> too
>>>> artificial, almost like we literally managed to create our own
>> world in a
>>> way.
>> 
>>>> Worse, it would make it a whole lot worse for any blind who
>> were born
>>>> cause then everyone would consider them a scientific failure so
>> to speak.
>>>> Of course,
>>>> I'm hypothetically talking about a very cold  world in which
>> science
>>>> would create people which I hope would never happen but its a
>> good
>>>> talking  point anyway.
>> 
>>>> Jorge
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>> 
>>>> We recently had a discussion about how we would react if some
>> of our
>>>> blind friends could become sighted, and we asked whether it
>> would be
>>>> reasonable for a sighted person to want to go blind.  This made
>> me
>>>> think of an interesting, although a bit painful, question:
>>>> Would the world be better off, worse off, or about the same if
>>>> blindness were completely eradicated, through genetic
>> engineering
>>>> and/or mandatory treatment of all causes of blindness?
>>>> The question may sound silly, but for many vision researchers,
>>>> eradication of blindness is a real goal.  But does the presence
>> of
>>>> blind people in our society have any benefit to the society or
>> the  world
>>> as a whole?
>> 
>>>> Certainly there are costs of having a small group of people in
>>>> society who read and travel using different techniques than the
>> rest.
>>>> These specialized techniques have to be taught, technology has
>> to be
>>>> adapted to their use and negative public attitudes prevent  this
>>>> minority of people who do things differently from having full
>> access
>>>> to societal goods and opportunities.  So would it be cheaper
>> and less
>>>> resource-demanding if everybody could use the same visual
>> techniques to
>>> accomplish life tasks?
>>>> On the other hand, you could perhaps argue that having people
>> who
>>>> use different senses to do things in society is advantageous.
>>>> Technology is forced to innovate to become usable by those who
>> don't
>>>> have vision as well as those who do.  And conceivably, if a
>> darkness
>>>> plague struck the planet, it would be better for the species if
>> some
>>>> of its members could fully function without light.
>> 
>>>> What do you think? Should we as a society make an effort to get
>> rid
>>>> of blindness? Or does blindness serve any kind of social
>> function?
>>>> There obviously isn't a right answer here, but it's something
>> that,
>>>> for better or for worse, could become relevant to us someday.
>> 
>>>> Arielle
>> 
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