[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 05:39:43 UTC 2011

People have talked about losing Nemeth as far as I understand it.  
That, (JMHO) will not happen.  We as blind people have become so 
used to it, that, if another code were to be introduced, as 
others have rightfully said, it'd take a while for it to be 
adopted, as well as for us to learn it.  So I don't think Nemeth 
will vanish and I like it more than UEB because it has more of 
what I'm used to, contractions.  While I * could * learn and use 
it, for me, Nemeth is the way to go.
Josh

sent from my Apex

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Hi Chris,
I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In 
print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In 
braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and 
letters depending on context.  The unified system would 
theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine 
what a text says, making it more like print.

The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to 
learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, 
and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is 
rather clunky and unwieldy.

I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code 
would be better than the current systems used.  But having one 
code does seem like it might simplify things.

Just my thoughts,
Greg

On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:

 Hi Greg,

 My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, 
don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for 
literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are 
different symbols for different operations in math than they are 
in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is 
affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?

 Chris

 "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities 
motto)

 --- Sent from my BrailleNote

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 Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the 
code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with 
literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended 
by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have 
not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so 
I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction 
here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools 
can be improved and better used in general though.

 As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of 
unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which 
integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a 
challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new 
code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than 
mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.

 -Greg

 On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

 i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
 I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
 changed, or it becoming obsilete.
 Nemeth Code will stay around!
 I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
 I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the 
main
 reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college 
Algebra.

 On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
 It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.

 Mike

 -----Original Message-----
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 Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

 Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in 
general.  What
 about the future of Nemeth?
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