[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 18:34:54 UTC 2011

Mike,
  I agree 100 percent-as it is, braille is already more unwieldy, in
my opinion, than print.  (I'm not saying it's more inferior)  One need
only to look at braille music versus print music to see that braille
is a lot more cumbersome than print and takes a lot of creativity to
put together in to an effective system.  Braille music is great-but
it's a bit more stretched and novel than its print counterpart.  No
need to compound the issue.

On 5/21/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal is a
> pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that the code
> becomes unwieldy.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print,
>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use
>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context.
>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for
>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for
>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and
>> unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would be
>> better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem like
>> it might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get
>>> me wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math print
>>> as far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for different
>>> operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print
>>> expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this
>>> for me?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>
>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, trying
>>> to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.  I would
>>> be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the future of his
>>> code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking about the
>>> future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context for
>>> Joshua's reaction here.  I do think its good to think critically about
>>> how tools can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>
>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and
>>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but
>>> fortunately better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started
>>> working on this problem.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>>
>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>> To: NABS-L
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general.
>>> What
>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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