[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 19:55:41 UTC 2011

Disagree re Braille music; it's much more logical than print music.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On May 21, 2011, at 11:34, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>  I agree 100 percent-as it is, braille is already more unwieldy, in
> my opinion, than print.  (I'm not saying it's more inferior)  One need
> only to look at braille music versus print music to see that braille
> is a lot more cumbersome than print and takes a lot of creativity to
> put together in to an effective system.  Braille music is great-but
> it's a bit more stretched and novel than its print counterpart.  No
> need to compound the issue.
> 
> On 5/21/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal is a
>> pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that the code
>> becomes unwieldy.
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print,
>>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use
>>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context.
>>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for
>>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>> 
>>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for
>>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and
>>> unwieldy.
>>> 
>>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would be
>>> better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem like
>>> it might simplify things.
>>> 
>>> Just my thoughts,
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>> 
>>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get
>>>> me wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math print
>>>> as far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for different
>>>> operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print
>>>> expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this
>>>> for me?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>> 
>>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, trying
>>>> to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.  I would
>>>> be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the future of his
>>>> code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking about the
>>>> future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context for
>>>> Joshua's reaction here.  I do think its good to think critically about
>>>> how tools can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>> 
>>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and
>>>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but
>>>> fortunately better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started
>>>> working on this problem.
>>>> 
>>>> -Greg
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>> To: NABS-L
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>> 
>>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general.
>>>> What
>>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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