[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 20:37:04 UTC 2011

Disagree Mike,
though based on our constraints in terms of having only 6 dots, I think its the best option out there instead of a unified code.

On May 21, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

> Disagree re Braille music; it's much more logical than print music.
> 
> Mike Freeman
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> On May 21, 2011, at 11:34, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike,
>> I agree 100 percent-as it is, braille is already more unwieldy, in
>> my opinion, than print.  (I'm not saying it's more inferior)  One need
>> only to look at braille music versus print music to see that braille
>> is a lot more cumbersome than print and takes a lot of creativity to
>> put together in to an effective system.  Braille music is great-but
>> it's a bit more stretched and novel than its print counterpart.  No
>> need to compound the issue.
>> 
>> On 5/21/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal is a
>>> pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that the code
>>> becomes unwieldy.
>>> 
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print,
>>>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use
>>>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context.
>>>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for
>>>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>>> 
>>>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>>>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for
>>>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and
>>>> unwieldy.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would be
>>>> better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem like
>>>> it might simplify things.
>>>> 
>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>> Greg
>>>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get
>>>>> me wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math print
>>>>> as far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for different
>>>>> operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print
>>>>> expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this
>>>>> for me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, trying
>>>>> to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.  I would
>>>>> be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the future of his
>>>>> code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking about the
>>>>> future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context for
>>>>> Joshua's reaction here.  I do think its good to think critically about
>>>>> how tools can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>>>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and
>>>>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>>>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but
>>>>> fortunately better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started
>>>>> working on this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Greg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>> To: NABS-L
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general.
>>>>> What
>>>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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