[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 20:46:41 UTC 2011

Jorge,
  I just don't really see the point. What we have now works great-if
we try and put it all in to one single code, I'm afraid it'll just
break a pretty good system.

On 5/21/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> But,
> we kinda have a unified code don't we?
> I mean we're using the same combinations, but mean different things
> depending upon context.
>
>
> On May 21, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>
>> But my point is if print readers use different symbols for letters than
>> numbers and math symbols,
>> why do we need the same symbols for numbers and letters in Braille? So
>> then...  would you also recommend a unified code for print?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print,
>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use
>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context.
>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for
>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for
>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and
>> unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would be
>> better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem like
>> it might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get me
>> wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math print as
>> far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for different
>> operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print
>> expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this
>> for me?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, trying
>> to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.  I would
>> be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the future of his
>> code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking about the
>> future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's
>> reaction here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>> can be improved and better used in general though.
>>
>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and
>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but fortunately
>> better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this
>> problem.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>
>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>
>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>> To: NABS-L
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general.
>> What
>> about the future of Nemeth?
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