[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 22:22:46 UTC 2011

I understand--trust me I'm happy with what we have.
Just trying to suggest alternatives to a "unified code"

On May 21, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

> Jorge,
>  I just don't really see the point. What we have now works great-if
> we try and put it all in to one single code, I'm afraid it'll just
> break a pretty good system.
> 
> On 5/21/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But,
>> we kinda have a unified code don't we?
>> I mean we're using the same combinations, but mean different things
>> depending upon context.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 21, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>> 
>>> But my point is if print readers use different symbols for letters than
>>> numbers and math symbols,
>>> why do we need the same symbols for numbers and letters in Braille? So
>>> then...  would you also recommend a unified code for print?
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>> 
>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print,
>>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use
>>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context.
>>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for
>>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>> 
>>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for
>>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and
>>> unwieldy.
>>> 
>>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would be
>>> better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem like
>>> it might simplify things.
>>> 
>>> Just my thoughts,
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> 
>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get me
>>> wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math print as
>>> far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for different
>>> operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print
>>> expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this
>>> for me?
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>> 
>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>> 
>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, trying
>>> to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.  I would
>>> be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the future of his
>>> code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking about the
>>> future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's
>>> reaction here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>>> can be improved and better used in general though.
>>> 
>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and
>>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but fortunately
>>> better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> -Greg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> 
>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>> 
>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>> To: NABS-L
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>> 
>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general.
>>> What
>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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