[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

[Joshua Lester]

Right on, Ashley!
Blessings, Joshua

On 5/21/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> We're better off with two codes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 3:48 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> I was going to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
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>
>> Chris,
>>  I'm not recommending a unified code.  All I'm saying is that,
>> because braille is limited to a relatively small number of dot
>> combinations, and in print you can pretty much draw whatever the hell
>> you want, we're better off with the separate codes as they stand, with
>> modifications to each code as the need arises.  In other words-there
>> aren't enough possible things you can do with braille to make a
>> unified code, with separate symbols for letters and numbers and music
>> and computer characters practical.  Braille is equal to print.
>> Braille is not print.
>>  Warmly,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 5/21/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> But my point is if print readers use different symbols for
>>> letters than numbers and math symbols,
>>> why do we need the same symbols for numbers and letters in
>>> Braille? So then...  would you also recommend a unified code for
>>> print?
>>>
>>>  Chris
>>>
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>
>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In
>>> print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In
>>> braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
>>> letters depending on context.  The unified system would
>>> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine
>>> what a text says, making it more like print.
>>>
>>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
>>> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
>>> and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
>>> rather clunky and unwieldy.
>>>
>>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code
>>> would be better than the current systems used.  But having one
>>> code does seem like it might simplify things.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts,
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, 혇is Nusbaum wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Greg,
>>>
>>>  My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
>>> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
>>> literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
>>> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
>>> in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
>>> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>>>
>>>  Chris
>>>
>>>  "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>>> motto)
>>>
>>>  --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>  Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>>  Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
>>> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
>>> literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
>>> by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
>>> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
>>> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>>> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>>> can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>
>>>  As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
>>> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
>>> integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
>>> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
>>> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
>>> mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>>>
>>>  -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>  On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>>  i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>>  I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>>  changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>>  Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>>  I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>>  Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the
>>> main
>>>  reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
>>> Algebra.
>>>
>>>  On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>  It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>  Mike
>>>
>>>
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>>>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>  Behalf
>>>  Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>  Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>  To: NABS-L
>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>>  Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
>>> general.  What
>>>  about the future of Nemeth?
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