[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sun May 22 02:30:18 UTC 2011

We're better off with two codes.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 3:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

I was going to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

> Chris,
>  I'm not recommending a unified code.  All I'm saying is that,
> because braille is limited to a relatively small number of dot
> combinations, and in print you can pretty much draw whatever the hell
> you want, we're better off with the separate codes as they stand, with
> modifications to each code as the need arises.  In other words-there
> aren't enough possible things you can do with braille to make a
> unified code, with separate symbols for letters and numbers and music
> and computer characters practical.  Braille is equal to print.
> Braille is not print.
>  Warmly,
> Kirt
>
> On 5/21/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But my point is if print readers use different symbols for
>> letters than numbers and math symbols,
>> why do we need the same symbols for numbers and letters in
>> Braille? So then...  would you also recommend a unified code for
>> print?
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:25:40 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In
>> print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In
>> braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
>> letters depending on context.  The unified system would
>> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to determine
>> what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
>> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
>> and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
>> rather clunky and unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code
>> would be better than the current systems used.  But having one
>> code does seem like it might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, 혇is Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Greg,
>>
>>  My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
>> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
>> literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
>> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
>> in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
>> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>>  "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>> motto)
>>
>>  --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>  Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
>> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
>> literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
>> by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
>> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
>> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>> can be improved and better used in general though.
>>
>>  As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
>> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
>> integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
>> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
>> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
>> mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>>
>>  -Greg
>>
>>
>>  On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>>  i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>  I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>  changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>  Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>  I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>  Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>
>>  On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the
>> main
>>  reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
>> Algebra.
>>
>>  On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>  It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>
>>  Mike
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>  Behalf
>>  Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>  Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>  To: NABS-L
>>  Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>  Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
>> general.  What
>>  about the future of Nemeth?
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