[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Josh Gregory joshkart12 at gmail.com
Sun May 22 06:00:53 UTC 2011 

Was this one time I opened a brf file in word pad, and it looked 
something like this...  It's easier looking at it on the display.  
Nicole I see what you mean now.  Like this, I do.
Josh

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"! was ? "o "t I op5$ a brf file 9 notepad, & x look$ "s?+ l 
?...I'll
stop now, sorry.

On 5/21/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Not quite.  He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in 
the Computer
 Braille context, hence the context part.

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 Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
 time, and he was typing in computer braille.
 Josh

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 Hahaha.  If anyone did not get that, I can explain.

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 I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*

  On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
  Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
  Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
  Josh

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  Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.

  Mike Freeman
  sent from my iPhone


  On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
  <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

   *NO.*
   Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
  Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
 thread.

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   Well,
   could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
  braille?
   Make it just one code?



   On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

   Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
 such
  a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
  are used that the code becomes unwieldy.

   Mike Freeman
   sent from my iPhone


   On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
  wrote:

   Hi Chris,
   I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
  In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
  In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
  letters depending on context.  The unified system would
  theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
 determine
  what a text says, making it more like print.

   The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
  learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
  and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, 
is
  rather clunky and unwieldy.

   I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
  code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
  one code does seem like it might simplify things.

   Just my thoughts,
   Greg

   On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ?굍is Nusbaum wrote:

   Hi Greg,

   My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
  don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
  literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
  different symbols for different operations in math than they 
are
  in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
  affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?

   Chris

   "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
  motto)

   --- Sent from my BrailleNote

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   Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
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   Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
  code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
  literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
  by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
  not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, 
so
  I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
  here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
  can be improved and better used in general though.

   As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
  unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
  integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
  challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
  code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
  mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this 
problem.

   -Greg


   On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

   i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
   I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
   changed, or it becoming obsilete.
   Nemeth Code will stay around!
   I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
   Blessings, Joshua


   On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
   I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
 the
  main
   reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
  Algebra.

   On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
   It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.

   Mike


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   Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
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   Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

   Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
  general.  What
   about the future of Nemeth?
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