[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
Josh Gregory
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Sun May 22 06:11:56 UTC 2011
Yes, like this: hi1 h{ y8 ,?is is an example ( h{ x'd look if I
typ$ l ?4
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If you set the Grade of in put to Computer Braille, and then
write in Grade
2, you will get the same results.
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Explain...
Josh
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Not quite. He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in the
Computer
Braille context, hence the context part.
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Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
time, and he was typing in computer braille.
Josh
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Hahaha. If anyone did not get that, I can explain.
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I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t *smile*
On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
Um... can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
Josh
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Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
Mike Freeman
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On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
*NO.*
Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
thread.
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Well,
could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
braille?
Make it just one code?
On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
such
a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
Mike Freeman
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On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Chris,
I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
letters depending on context. The unified system would
theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
determine
what a text says, making it more like print.
The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
and one for computer symbols. Computer braille, for example, is
rather clunky and unwieldy.
I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
code would be better than the current systems used. But having
one code does seem like it might simplify things.
Just my thoughts,
Greg
On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ?‚ris Nusbaum wrote:
Hi Greg,
My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
literary and math print as far as I know. In print, there are
different symbols for different operations in math than they are
in Nemeth. If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
Chris
"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
motto)
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Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
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Actually, Dr. Nemeth has continued to update and change the
code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
literary braille. I would be surprised if he would be offended
by a discussion of the future of his code. Admittedly, I have
not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
here. I do think its good to think critically about how tools
can be improved and better used in general though.
As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S. which
integrates math and literary braille. This seems like a
challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
mine, such as Dr. Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
-Greg
On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
i had the honor of meeting Dr. Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
changed, or it becoming obsilete.
Nemeth Code will stay around!
I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
Blessings, Joshua
On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
I'm with Mike here. Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
the
main
reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
Algebra.
On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
Mike
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Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
general. What
about the future of Nemeth?
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