[nabs-l] Independence and judgment

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sun Nov 20 03:20:27 UTC 2011


Hi Marsha,

Yes, I think we get too judgmental sometimes, and forget that 
that's not at all the purpose of our organization.  I'd just like 
to advise everyone to get all the facts before passing judgment, 
if you pass judgment at all, which isn't always a good idea.  
Maybe someone has another disability, like Marsha; maybe they 
don't have all the skills you have; maybe they just don't like 
the stairs or something.  Even the best travellers have to ask 
people for directions sometimes, and that doesn't make them any 
less of an independent person.  I recall something that a mentor 
of mine, our own Darian Smith, told me at the LAW Program when I 
was lost in the Jernigan Institute and had no sighted people to 
ask nor was my mom there at the time; perhaps asking questions 
and directions of anyone, blind or sighted, makes the asker an 
even more independent person, because they're not afraid to speak 
up and ask, which is a form of advocating for yourself.  At the 
time, I didn't understand this and replied, "Huh? But isn't 
independence doing things by yourself?" He told me that nobody 
can do everything totally independently.  "The NFB is big on 
making blind people as independent as we can, but we also 
understand that you're always going to need to ask for help 
sometimes." This made a big impact on me.  When I first started 
to get involved in the NFB, as I felt at that particular time in 
the hallway of the Jernigan Institute, I felt embarrassed about 
asking people for directions, as I thought that's not something a 
good Federationist should do, and the adults wouldn't want me to 
be asking people for help.  But what Darian told me made it all 
click; yeah, we're going to need to ask help sometimes.  It's 
just part of life, and if somebody (in the NFB or otherwise) 
judges you about it, it's their wrongdoing, not yours.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 
1968-1986

P.S.  The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired 
youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through 
providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and 
conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  
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 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
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Date sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:32:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Independence and judgment

Bridget,

Very very good post.  I do find it amazing that people within our
organization judge.  I am too a person who is not only blind, but 
I am also
hearing impaired, and have balance issues.  Before I was married 
to my
current husband, I was at a national convention, I was lost, 
stopped someone
for directions.  This was Dallas.  And yes they were blind too.  
But because I
could not find my way, I was judged.  I didn't ask for them to 
guide me, I
wasn't asking for them to lead me by my hand.  Just give me some 
general
directions.  When I explained I needed the elevator, not the 
stairs, again
more judgment.  I avoid stairs like the plague, not because I am 
blind, but
because I could potentially fall down them.  The judgment in our 
own
organization is harsher than in the normal sighted society.  
Because I am not
a super blindie, and I have to do things the way I do them, I get 
shamed
from NFB members.  Our organization is not one that just has 
blind people in
it, we are now an organization with lots of people with 
additional
disabilities.  But NO ONE is willing to recognize this, be 
sensitive to it,
and accept those people too.

Just two cents!
Marsha



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:57 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence and judgment

Jedi,

Since you started...  This segways nicely into a discussion I've 
long
wanted to open up.

First, everyone, blind, sighted, everyone, needs to recognize 
that
people need help sometimes.  There's nothing wrong with asking 
for help,
but we also have to understand that blindness doesn't mean we 
need more
help than anyone else.  I've always been very independent, and 
when I
lost my sight, it really irritated me that so many people thought 
I
required so much help.  When I was diagnosed with tachycardia and 
severe
low blood pressure, it was difficult that there were times I 
literally
couldn't do much physically.  I've always been very active, and 
before my
medications were regulated, I had a lot of difficulty just 
walking
because I felt so weak.  Requiring assistance to move around had 
nothing
to do with my blindness, but I needed assistance because of my 
health.  I
still have episodes where I feel weak enough to the point where I 
may
need an arm to lean on, but personally, I don't take sighted 
guide
because of my blindness.  And on a side note, when I do need such
assistance, I don't care if the person is sighted or blind, as 
long as I
have the support necessary is all I care about.  I guess I 
shouldn't so
much refer to it as sighted guide but simply a guide or support.  
Seeing
as I'm predominantly with my hubby, and he is blind, he is 
usually the
one who helps me out during these episodes, which goes to show I 
can't
call it sighted guide.  Smile.

Now, I agree with you to an extent because I see so many blind 
people
complain about society and how we're not treated as equals or 
like we
can be independent.  All this is said while I observe said people 
taking
sighted assistance more than is necessary.  I try to not judge 
people I
don't know because I have no clue what a persons life is like.  
Such as
myself, who when having my weak blood pressure episodes could be 
judged
as a blind person always taking assistance, but if you knew me, 
you'd
know that my reasoning for a guide of any kind is because of 
health
related concerns.  But I know plenty of people who have no reason 
to use
sighted assistance for every little thing.  It's tough to argue 
our
independence and capabilities when we rarely choose to truly be
independent.

It makes my life difficult when I have to deal with people who 
have
encountered blind people who not only constantly ask for sighted 
help,
but expect it.  It's really annoying to have to explain and 
demand
independence from people who are only responding based on past
experience with other blind people.  As I keep saying, we can 
teach
sighted people to treat us as equals and accept our abilities, 
but if
blind people don't believe this, it negates the work done with 
our
sighted peers.  There was a security guard on my campus who every
freaking time she saw me, she asked if I needed help, and in the
beginning would do the arm grab.  I found out that another blind 
student
on campus frequently requested sighted guides to get from class 
to
class, which ended up being the job designated to the security 
office.  I
discovered who said person was, and I knew them quite well, and 
they had
no true reason requesting sighted guide as they could have 
learned to
get around campus on their own, but they summarily refused to 
even
consider the idea.  Eventually the security guard realized I 
didn't
require this kind of help and they just greeted me like they did 
anyone
else when running into me, but based on prior experience, it was 
assumed
I needed similar help.  This is just as much a blind persons 
fault as it
is a sighted persons.

Trust me, it can be scary doing things independently for anyone, 
but
when we choose to overcome fears and anxieties, we grow familiar 
with
negotiating situations on our own.  Eventually we become 
accustomed to
navigating the world nonvisually, and people, not everyone, but 
many,
observe our independence and will recognize we don't require help 
all
the time.

However, to make snap judgments and generalizations does nothing 
to help
us either.  I'd also like to point out to those who believe in 
the all or
nothing method of travel that years ago Dr.  Jernigan addressed 
some
students as to why he chose to use sighted guide in certain 
situations.
His response can be found on the NFB website.  While we should 
act as
independently as we can, there are times when we should feel no 
shame in
requesting assistance.  It's about efficiency.  This is why NFB 
presidents
use sighted guides during convention so they can efficiently 
navigate
from place to place especially among so many other people 
careening
about.  It's not used all the time, or most of the time, but it's
available if needed.

That all being said, most of us can operate quite fine on our 
own.  I
don't have the time to wait for a sighted person to help me get 
stuff
done, nor do I have a sighted person in my life who wants to be 
at my
beck and call.  Independent travel is something that I expect in 
blind
people, and until we all understand this, we don't have much of a 
chance
to ever be viewed as equals in society.

Those who know me well, both sighted and blind, know I don't like 
having
to ask for help for any reason.  Sometimes we have no choice in 
the
matter such as when a health issue is involved, but I don't 
appreciate
judgmental attitudes from the blind or sighted world, which by 
the way
is the same world.

I live with my blind husband, and we live on our own.  We take 
the bus to
work, school, the market, doctor visits, etc., we go out to 
movies and
theatre and restaurants, and we don't have sighted people there 
to
assist whenever we feel the whim.  And when out with sighted 
people, we
still do things for ourselves such as go to the bathroom, walk, 
order
food, whatever.  I think the more we do things independently, the 
more we
show people how capable we are.

And when I said classmates let me lead the way in asking for 
help, I
simply meant that they stopped asking all the time if I needed 
help.  If
I did, I'd ask, and they understood this.  I presented myself 
with
confidence and did what was expected of other classmates.  I 
didn't
expect, or ask for, special treatment unless necessary such as 
taking
exams accessibly.  I negotiated campus with no help, and in fact, 
usually
knew my way around better than a lot of sighted classmates.  
Funny story,
while in conversation with fellow classmates, I made a comment 
about the
Weber Fine Arts building, to which one of my classmates responded 
by
saying, "I don't know what building that is," and to which I 
replied,
"It's the building you are sitting in currently." giggle.  I 
figured
school out just like everyone else has too, and I didn't believe 
myself
less capable or less efficient than anyone else.  To be treated 
as
equals, we have to act and think like we are equal.

We should be expected to do what anyone else is expected to do.  
I don't
really know why we think we are expected to go beyond those
expectations, within reason of course.  I mean, should I start 
serving
myself at sit-down restaurants because technically a sighted 
person is
doing it for me.  Should I walk everywhere in a city with more 
than one
million people, because a driver on a bus is sighted after all.  
I mean,
where is the line drawn for some of us? Apparently our 
independence is
compromised because we ask for help no matter the situation.  We
certainly need to be aware of our independence and how we present
ourselves in public especially if we claim to want equality, but 
we also
have to live our lives and not to always be making points but for
ourselves.  A part of being equals and accepted as such, is to 
understand
that we can, and will, ask for help at times and there's nothing 
wrong
with this.  It can be a fine balance, but we can't live our life 
thinking
we can never, ever ask for help, sighted or otherwise, and if we 
take
help, we've compromised our independence and the independence of 
blind
people everywhere.  I can't do a lot physically on the few 
occasions I
suffer a low blood pressure, so I may take an arm if available.  
Since
some may view this as equating to all blind people must need 
sighted
help, it would be better for me to suffer and struggle around due 
to
weakness and fatigue? It's ludacris.  Or if we are in a situation 
where
sighted assistance may make for a smoother transaction, we should 
be
viewed as inefficient just as long as we're viewed as doing it 
alone?
What's the better image? I'm 30 and no longer have the F-ing time 
to
constantly have to prove a point, to sighted people or blind 
people
alike.  Judging and assuming come in different forms, let's not 
forget
this.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:44:05 -0500
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grabbing and streetcrossing help
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Bridgit,

I'm with you entirely on the idea that a person, of any sort, 
walking
alone should indicate that help is not needed.  But I think those
blindness attitudes tend to erode good sense.  And I'm with you 
that our
actions mean a lot; we can't claim that we want to be independent
travelers and ask for a sighted guide everywhere we go.  I'm 
sorry to
say that this is one of the few situations in which we can't have 
our
cake and eat it, too.

Respectfully,
Jedi


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