[nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers

[Jedi]

For goodness' sake! I never said that we need labeled toilet flushers, 
only that it could be done if desired. Usually, most individuals would 
look near the toilet for the flusher and presume that a button near the 
toilet would flush it. I could personally care less if the flusher were 
labeled. I'd rather that airlines label exit doors in Braille by adding 
signs to their handles that say "lift and pull out" just like in print 
so that a person who is blind can opperate it without too much 
training. Granted, this kind of labeling is probably not absolutely 
necessary, but it would be helpful.

As to the currency issue, I think you missed the boat on that one. The 
Federation never said that labeling currency was a bad idea or that it 
would never be useful. Instead, it said that not having labeled money 
is not a form of discrimination since discrimination implies that our 
currency is not usable by blind persons which is not true. Most of us 
have techniques that allow us to quickly identify our money with little 
to no assistance from the sighted world; any asistance we do gain from 
the sighted is often quick and painless and doesn't represent a 
considerable hassle to most of us. Though it is true that some persons 
might take advantage of a blind person's inability to actually see the 
numbers on a bill, I'd say the amount of theft and cheating is probably 
about the same as it is for the sighted; clerks have been known to 
accidentally or purposefully shortchange a sighted customer.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:


> Hi, Gedi,

>          If there is no problem with simply labeling a button what,
> then is the problem with money we can organically identify? A tired,
> argument I've heard out of the Federation is "it's been working, all
> this time."
> A button on a toilet of all things is not as important as accessible
> bills or entertainment, is it?
> for today,
> Car At 09:31 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>> For sure. but there's really no harm in labeling a button. Why not?

>> Respectfully Submitted

>> Original message:
>>> As far as I know there is only one "button" in the bathroom-so
>>> labeling isn't likely to resolve any confusion since you have to find
>>> the Brailled button in the first place!
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle

>>> On 10/20/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>> Good afternoon, Jedi,

>>>> Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity,
>>>> primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are
>>>> accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about
>>>> precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
>>>> How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
>>>> for today,
>>>> Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>>>> I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really
>>>>> necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than
>>>>> trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the
>>>>> isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special
>>>>> info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the
>>>>> toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the
>>>>> buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the
>>>>> sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.

>>>>> I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems
>>>>> stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in
>>>>> strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training
>>>>> would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training
>>>>> should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that
>>>>> canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other
>>>>> info should include the fact that we do not have to board and
>>>>> deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an
>>>>> option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to
>>>>> situate their dogs.

>>>>> But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of
>>>>> how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are
>>>>> better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight
>>>>> information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info
>>>>> that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but
>>>>> some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets,
>>>>> some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When
>>>>> we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward
>>>>> a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that
>>>>> touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that
>>>>> airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though
>>>>> it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines
>>>>> are willing to implement accessibility features that are either
>>>>> useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.

>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Jedi

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>>>>> every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>>>>> things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
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