[nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers

[Carly]

Hi, Gedi,

         If there is no problem with simply labeling a button what, 
then is the problem with money we can organically identify? A tired, 
argument I've heard out of the Federation is "it's been working, all 
this time."
A button on a toilet of all things is not as important as accessible 
bills or entertainment, is it?
for today,
Car At 09:31 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>For sure. but there's really no harm in labeling a button. Why not?
>
>Respectfully Submitted
>
>Original message:
>>As far as I know there is only one "button" in the bathroom-so
>>labeling isn't likely to resolve any confusion since you have to find
>>the Brailled button in the first place!
>>Best,
>>Arielle
>
>>On 10/20/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>Good afternoon, Jedi,
>
>>>Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity,
>>>primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are
>>>accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about
>>>precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
>>>How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
>>>for today,
>>>Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>>>I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really
>>>>necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than
>>>>trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the
>>>>isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special
>>>>info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the
>>>>toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the
>>>>buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the
>>>>sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.
>
>>>>I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems
>>>>stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in
>>>>strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training
>>>>would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training
>>>>should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that
>>>>canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other
>>>>info should include the fact that we do not have to board and
>>>>deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an
>>>>option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to
>>>>situate their dogs.
>
>>>>But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of
>>>>how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are
>>>>better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight
>>>>information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info
>>>>that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but
>>>>some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets,
>>>>some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When
>>>>we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward
>>>>a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that
>>>>touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that
>>>>airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though
>>>>it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines
>>>>are willing to implement accessibility features that are either
>>>>useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.
>
>>>>Respectfully,
>>>>Jedi
>
>>>>Original message:
>>>>>More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>>>>every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining
>>>>>where
>>>>>the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>>>>things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
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